The Coming Electric Vehicle Transformation: Impact on House Values

[Randolph Kinney]

I thought LA had solved its smog problem.

It sure did, every time it rains, it washes the crap out of the air and it looks beautiful for maybe 24 hours. California has yet to meet the federal standards for air quality.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

I thought LA had solved its smog problem.

Any city laying in a valley can suffer smog problems from an inversion. The old brown cloud over Denver was a byproduct of the geology as well as the automobile. Grand Junction used to do the same in winter when it would go for days without a stir of air while heavy cold air was settling over the town.

 

[RCA]

Nonsense. It is arrogant to claim how green you are when you recharge a car that is using electricity that is generated by mostly coal and gas. As I said, I am all for electric as some short trip commuter car. But If I go to New Mexico or any trip of 200 miles or more, I would have to plan around finding stations. And spending 45 minutes to refill, or, you best find a station every 3 hours on the interstate and average about 10 mph less than a 4 cyl car. The bulk of this nation is devoid of such recharging places outside urban areas. I want to see you go from Yuma to I 40 without planning where the rechargers are. And again, until lightweight rechargeable batteries that are reliable and reasonably priced, well...gee, for one third the price of a Telsa I can buy any number of cars that are going to have as small a carbon footprint as a coal powered (or 6.1% hydroelectric carbon free footprint). The same reason I don't own a LNG or CNG auto is because of the lack of filling stations but even there we have a lot more of those than electric charging stations.

The practical engineering problem that has plagued batteries is how long will they last and how much do they weigh. Will batteries come down in weight anytime in my lifetime? Nope not significantly. And the hoopla for years is that technology doubles every 18 months or so in computers. ... or does it? And at what price point? Same with battery technology. Billions have been spent on the perfect lightweight long life battery. And it isn't there yet. Lithium density is increasing, but that isn't translated into a onger life battery without some serious issues. Sila Nano promised to "potentially" improve efficiency by 40% increase over the next 'few years' but their latest battery isn't quite as good as they were predicting...so far. 40%?

"The EV is said to replace cars with the internal combustion engine (ICE) by ca. 2040. Several technological improvements will be needed to make the electric powertrain practical and economical. Even with oil at $100 a barrel, the price of the EV batteries would need to fall by a factor of three and also offer ultra-fast charging. In terms of carbon footprint, the electricity used to power the EVs would need to come from renewable sources. Published reports say that emissions from EVs powered by America’s electricity grids are higher than those from an efficient ICE." https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/electric_vehicle_ev

The battery in the luxury Telsa weighs 1200 lb. and goes 265 miles. An 80,000# truck with a range of 400 mile would need to use about half of its load capacity.

It's the people that are too sheepish to be arrogant that are the real problem.

You are one arrogant "engineer". Whazzmatter? Become an appraiser because they wouldn't let you toot the horn on the train, so you just come here to show us all how superior you are? "Backward?" You've never left SF. What do you know? You'd rather wallow in the human filth of the bay area that see the real world.

I don't know why you are so upset about saying Arkansas is backward.

You are one arrogant "engineer". Whazzmatter? Become an appraiser because they wouldn't let you toot the horn on the train, so you just come here to show us all how superior you are? "Backward?" You've never left SF. What do you know? You'd rather wallow in the human filth of the bay area that see the real world.

I was joking about Arkansas being backward of course. We have tech industry moving to Little Rock - and you've got your own very little Silicon Valley it seems. Growing fast; although a long ways to go. You have had homeless, drugs, gangs, pollution and everything else California has going WAAAAY back. There's some real bad *** people down there. Of course, you should know better than me. Little Rock? Yea, isn't that the place ....

 

[George Hatch]

Any city laying in a valley can suffer smog problems from an inversion. The old brown cloud over Denver was a byproduct of the geology as well as the automobile. Grand Junction used to do the same in winter when it would go for days without a stir of air while heavy cold air was settling over the town.

The air quality in the L.A. basin was poor before the industrial revolution even happened. Adding the cars and industry obviously made it worse, but it's better now than it was 40 years ago.

 

[RCA]

The air quality in the L.A. basin was poor before the industrial revolution even happened. Adding the cars and industry obviously made it worse, but it's better now than it was 40 years ago.

Interestingly Arkansas has the highest mortality rate from chronic lower respiratory disease int the nation,

Stats of the States - Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Arkansas also has the 3rd highest mortality rates for heart disease, diabetes, and kidney disease. 6th highest for cancer, 7th for stroke, 9th for suicide, ......

Stats of the State of Arkansas

www.cdc.gov

Arkansas Air Quality Improved, Finds 2018 State of the Air Report

The American Lung Associations 2018 “State of the Air” report found Arkansas has earned improved grades for the nations most widespread air pollutants. Compared to the 2017 report, Arkansas has seen a cut in ozone pollution slightly. This is in spite of a trend seen across the nation of higher...

www.lung.org

I was trying to get the air pollution stats on Arkansas. Surprisingly, most of the towns there don't even have monitors!! So, we don't know really what the air quality is for most of Arkansas - except that a lot of people die from lung disease.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

Interestingly

I am glad you are so much smarter than me. The genius engineer. If they won't let him toot the horn on the train, he'll toot his own horn.

 

[RCA]

I am glad you are so much smarter than me. The genius engineer. If they won't let him toot the horn on the train, he'll toot his own horn.

Is that what you do? You go to Little Rock, get on that little train they have downtown and toot the horn? If you come to San Francisco, I bet they would let you do that if you say "Pretty Please" and dress just right ....

Come to think of it, I have to buy some more Brio train sections for my grandchildren for Xmas. Do you like Brio?

I better stop, or I might give Randolph the idea to start bombarding us with news links about all the sordid problems with the high speed rail in California. Oh no! Not that!

 

[Randolph Kinney]

sordid problems with the high speed rail in California.

Another boondoggle to save the world from climate change. Billions spend on the train to nowhere. Yes, California politicians solution was to buy the union vote and to parcel out favors. If you need the links and sources to verify that ...

 

[George Hatch]

Train to nowhere

 

[Randolph Kinney]

All you Californians now own toxic waste sites that were acquired buying land and right-a-ways for the high speed rail aka bullet train. Of course, you guys are rich and can afford to clean up hazardous waste sites or just let them "age" until it is ripe with hue and cry from the adjacent land owners suing the state.