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"Tidewater Initiative
In 2003, a major change in VA’s policy regarding interaction between VA Fee
Appraisers and other program participants was introduced. In brief summary, the
Tidewater procedure allows an opportunity for a designated “Point of Contact” to
provide market evidence for the appraiser’s consideration prior to establishing the
final URAR value. The appraiser initiates the procedure by alerting the Contact person
that the appraised value appears likely to come in under the sales price. The appraiser
should not discuss the appraisal contents except to explain that the comparables
located by the appraiser do not adequately support the sales price. The Contact person
then has two business days to provide additional sales information in support of the
sales price. Verification of the closed sales is required. (Pending sales may be offered,
but should only be used to support time adjustments.)
All attempts to communicate with the designated Point of Contact must be
documented to show the date of the attempt, the party’s name and phone
number, and whether or not additional information was provided.
(Reference: New Procedure for Improving Communication With Fee Appraisers <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
and Streamlining Reconsideration of Value (Tidewater Initiative) – Circular 26-03-11)"


[url]http://www.vba.VA.gov/ro/phoenix/RLC/PDF/Fee_Appraiser_Handbook_Oct_2011_FINAL.pdf[/URL]


1. Then why is it we cannot discuss values that appear they will not make the SP with an AMC, mortgage broker, etc. ?
What am I missing?

2. I've wondered if Tidewater violates USPAP.... does it, and if not, why not. Does VA supercede USPAP?

Mike, you seem to always have a good handle on questions & answers... could you explain that? Thanks.
 
To the best of my knowledge, at least in my region (SE) Tidewater was never in effect for Refi's. How would I know the "target" value to know if I met it or not, in order to initiate Tidewater?

Not so, as of a few years ago... according to NH Regional office.
But, I think it might have changed since then, as I have come in under value on refi's and have not contacted the homeowner and have not heard a word from VA.
 
It's high that the the VA rescind the Tidewater Initiative.

If a loan broker or someone else with vested interest in the outcome of the appraisal report wants to submit comparable sales...let them do it before the VA appraiser arrives at a value conclusion. This initiative was put in place because the VA was losing market share near the apex of the market bubble. If truth be known, I would bet that this initiative resulted in a substantial increase in the number insurance claims by lenders to the VA for non-performing loans.....based on inflated property appraisals.


I agree w/ you.
 
Not so, as of a few years ago... according to NH Regional office.
"Not So"? I didn't comment on NH regional office. I CAREFULLY commented on the SE St. Petersburg Regional office. In case you are not aware, there are differences, some significant, between the requirements of regional offices...


2. I've wondered if Tidewater violates USPAP.... does it, and if not, why not. Does VA supersede USPAP?
No. Jurisdictional exception. Some will argue that, but won't convince me... I feel pretty confident that if a state board or professional organization (USPAP Is NOT federal or state law) were to suggest an appraiser violated USPAP by following Tidewater requirements, VA would trump any state board, and no (sensible) state board would have the gonads to challenge that... Have you heard of a state board implicating an appraiser for properly implementing Tidewater? NO!
 
Thanks, 1. Didn't realize they operated separately.
re 2. No, haven't... but you can see how rules, guidelines etc can be manipulated by different entities...
OK. Have a great day.
 
1. Then why is it we cannot discuss values that appear they will not make the SP with an AMC, mortgage broker, etc. ?
What am I missing?

2. I've wondered if Tidewater violates USPAP.... does it, and if not, why not. Does VA supercede USPAP?

Mike, you seem to always have a good handle on questions & answers... could you explain that? Thanks.

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Clients that put estimated values on appraisal requests

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For the ... dated December 22, 2003, (also known as The Tidewater Initiative) the ...
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In Defense of the Tidewater Initiative (and me) [Archive] - Appraisers ...
Mike Kennedy. 10-29-2009, 07:45 PM. VA TRAINING GUIDE 2006, PAGE 23-24. TIDEWATER PROCEDURE Tidewater Initiative This is a ...
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I guess I am just not getting this, if this can be done for VA, then why not any other transaction?
Wouldn't someone other than a Veteran buying a house want to know that the value is under the SP? It's actually discriminating from people that aren't Veterans.
(No desrespect for the Veteran is meant by this comment). I'm just not getting this.
 
1. Then why is it we cannot discuss values that appear they will not make the SP with an AMC, mortgage broker, etc. ?
What am I missing?

2. I've wondered if Tidewater violates USPAP.... does it, and if not, why not. Does VA supercede USPAP?

Mike, you seem to always have a good handle on questions & answers... could you explain that? Thanks.

I am not Mike but I can tell you that thius was thorougly vetted with The Appraisal Foundation when it first came out and the answer from TAF was....."It does not violate USPAP". And, yes, if the VA wanted to they could make a jurisdictional exception. They fall within the categories for doing so. SEE ATTACHED
 

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As I said... but you can see how rules, guidelines etc can be manipulated by different entities... Well there you have it...
so much for USPAP...
 
Actually, what the NAR should do is lobby for the same treatment... POC - listing realtor... appraiser has to contact realtor if value is under the contracted SP ...
 
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