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Trainee Contract/agreement

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Yetta Daugette

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I am a Certified Appraiser considering my first Trainee. I would like advice from experienced Supervisors (pros and cons) and would like to have samples of written agreements between Supervisor/Trainee.
 
Yetta,

Are you asking about an independent contractors agreement?
 
While you're considering taking on a trainee, I'd suggest you take a look at this thread as well as consulting with your attorney, E & O and another appraiser who has been through this.

http://appraisersforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32089

Oh, BTW, why is this urgent? Are you doing this today? Just curious. :shrug: :shrug:
 
Yetta-

In addition to what Otis wrote, I’ll add this:

The trainee is technically and legally an “employee”, not a sub-contractor. Check with the IRS regarding the definition; since their licensing status requires significant supervision, they cannot be classified as a “contractor”.

I’m in California, and we have a “at will” work state (hired/fired at will). I don’t have “contracts” for my trainee employees. We do have an employee manual for all employees and contractors that cover their job description, quality issues, procedures and disciplinary procedures (disciplinary procedures are needed with the employees, not so much with the contractors).

I did have one interesting situation happen with a trainee. She wasn’t meeting the standards we had set (competency); after meetings and review, we let her go. She filed for unemployment benefits (thank God we did the right thing and have her as an employee).
I contested the claim; my position was that because of her licensing, she was required to obtain and maintain a level of competency to complete her assignments. I lost the first contestation, and appealed. It finally went to a hearing.

The administrative law judge heard the case. I had USPAP, showed the judge the competency section, cited the need for competency to “Protect the Public Trust”, and stated that what I had advised the trainee to do was to go back to school, get additional education in some core courses, and I’d be happy to re-start the training process. My position was that the level of instruction she required was “basic education”, not “apprentice/on-the-job training”.
Lastly, I argued that since she had a license, and to fulfill her job requirements she needed to be licensed, and that part of the licensing requirement was to be or obtain competency, and that as a licensed supervisor appraiser, my responsibility was to insure that she was competent to do the job, I could not co-sign with her on the appraisals until she reached a minimum level of competency to do her job.
Since she couldn’t do appraisals (which was what her job description called for), she wasn’t able to do any work for our firm.
Sounded reasonable to me!

Yes, you guessed it; we lost. I was told that we should provide her another position that doesn’t require licensing until such time when she became competent and could start doing appraisals again.

Somewhat off track- my point to this story is that if you are taking on a trainee, you are taking on an employee. In my state (CA), that creates a different set of obligations; some that can’t be superceded by a written “contract”.
 
Thanks Denis! BTW, I forgot about checking with your CPA or accountant. FTR, my trainee, doesn't get paid. It's for learning purposes only. No exchange of money. It shouldn't be long before I'm out of that situation since it seems that there was an offer for training and money (hmmmmmmmmm) from another appraiser. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
 
Originally posted by Otis Key@Oct 9 2005, 04:36 PM
FTR, my trainee, doesn't get paid. It's for learning purposes only. No exchange of money.
Otis-

Your situation probably isn’t “employee/employer”.
In fact, I’d call it an “Internship”. And if I recall (from my wife’s college days), many internships are unpaid.

(Maybe you would want to consider having an "internship" agreement? Sounds pretty official, anyway!)
 
Originally posted by Yetta Daugette@Oct 9 2005, 12:59 PM
I am a Certified Appraiser considering my first Trainee. I would like advice from experienced Supervisors (pros and cons) and would like to have samples of written agreements between Supervisor/Trainee.
You really should consult with your accountant and attorney to draw up the agreement. Not only tax consequences need to be considered, but workman's comp issues, unemployment insurance, your liability insurance and other general terms of the agreement. Not having a good agreement specific to your local laws is a very bad idea.
 
Thank you all for responding. I needed urgent response as I had a meeting scheduled with this trainee on Monday the 10th. I did have in mind an independent contractors agreement, but after reading your responses, I realized and agree that it would be an employee. I believe most appraisers in my area (North Alabama) have independent contractor verbal agreements, which I knew was not satisfactory for me. Anyway, thanks for our input. It was helpful.
 
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