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Underwriting wants me to "change" my report?

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Is it speculation if the person that is building the structure tells you what it is going to be and you report what you've been told?

How is it we're able to conduct an appraisal on proposed construction? According to some of the explanations in this thread we shouldn't be able to describe the property as it is going to be.

Whether it is permitted or not is another issue in and of itself.

All depends on the motivation....maybe the homeowner only told the appraiser that because he thought it may help him get some more value...

I have them tell me crap all the time...oh, we're gonna fix that, we are going to repaint as soon as this loan closes--that's what the money is for...we're going to close in that porch off the back....etc....

Would you give any of that any weight in your report? Or even mention it? Too many people try to write a report that tells the future, and the present is ambiguous enough as it is.
 
Report what you observed. This is not your deal to kill, so don't worry about that. You aren't making this loan. If the bank doesn't want to lend on it, that's there biz.

I would add a comment to the report if the request sounds reasonable to you, but don't let the UW or anyone else tell you how to write your appraisal. And get everything in writing. Brokers think they speak for everyone.
 
Be sure you include photos of EVERYTHING. Makes for good appraisal practice!
 
The 'second home' thing has me intrigued.

Really, a second home just across the walkway from the first home? Not likely, is it? I mean in the true sense of a second home, like when we want to go away to warmer climates in the winter or be near the grandkids in another state. A fully functional home with bathroom/kitchen/sleeping quarters, etc.

If I'm planning on making a recreation room, would I fondly refer to it as my second home? Perhaps hopefully thinking the family is all going to enjoy the space so much that we spend a lot of our time out there?

I'm betting the homeowner, if anything, was describing an area they'd eventually like to be a FROG (family room over garage) and there may have been a misunderstanding because of the terms he/she used?
 
I just received a call from an irate lender, says underwriting kicked my report and I killed their loan unless I change my wording. I wrote....
"There is a recently completed, permitted 32'x32' garage with concrete slab flooring, power, painted fire resistant siding, and metal roofing. There is an area above the garage, which is set to be a second home of approximately 1,536 square feet. The area was noted, however not counted in this appraisal report, as it is not completed or permitted. The garage feature in the subject home is not typical for the area; as most homes do not have garages. In the sales comparison process a minimal garage adjustment was made."
They want me to remove the part about the unfinished room. I was only reporting what I had seen on the property as I do in every report; I had no intention of "killing" a loan. Now I am left with a very unhappy lender (one who will no doubt switch to another appraiser after this), and a felling of frustration. I only disclosed what I observed and what was told to me by the home owner.

Is there anything I can do to help appease the underwriter and the lender without doing what they are asking? I'm not about to remove wording from my report ... but is there some way to ad an addenda that more clearly states what I said without killing a loan?

I was not speculating when I stated second home. The verbage acutally came directly from the homeowners mouth, " ....this area is going to be our second home, once we complete it; that's what this loan will be for, to complete the home and get it permitted." She said she was not sure what she was going to do with the original home... keep it for her mother, split the lot (which is feasible/legal/possible) or rent it out.

I did submit photos, both of the interior and exterior of the garage. I did not submit photos of the area above the garage because I did not weight this feature in the report. Should I have submitted interior shots of this area?


Some marriages are like that ... :shrug:
 
If the space is currently just any empty space it should described as such. Proposed construction is legally permitted with plans. There is no analogy. Describe what was there on the date of inspection. You are neither the zoning police or a soothsayer. Remove the "proposed second home" statement and everyone should be happy. It didn't belong there in the first place.IMO.

Do you verify those permits? At the height of the boom it was not unusual for builders to start construction before permits were issued due to the volume and lag time from permitting.

Couch said:
We are able to do that based on a clearly stated hypothetical condition which must later be confirmed to have changed into a true statement for the loan to close as a regular loan rather than as a construction loan.

That unfinished garage area is just that, an unfinished garage area. Speculation by the appraiser on its future is not good practice IMHO.

The home owner is a recognized source of information. And the OP did not give it consideration in the appraisal. A hypothetical condition was not necessary, imo.

I think what is being said here by all are valid points. I'm playing devils advocate. Don't hate me for it :new_smile-l:
 
Do you verify those permits? At the height of the boom it was not unusual for builders to start construction before permits were issued due to the volume and lag time from permitting.

Would never happen in my market. High density, ruthless building departments. I was under the impression that no lender would ever fund a loan without a final C/O. Add to the fact that any construction based appraisal has always been done subject to completion and issuing of final C/O it is a moot point in my market. Your's may differ. Be that as it may, calling an empty space a future home with no plans,specs or permits is pushing the envelope IMO.
 
A picture paints a thousand words...I love photographs!

Are we the permit police? Shouldn't we get more$ for that?!:icon_mrgreen:

Permit police should at least get health insurance.

Some appraisers should have their licenses revoked.

;)

Webbed.
 
The home owner is a recognized source of information. And the OP did not give it consideration in the appraisal. A hypothetical condition was not necessary, imo.

I think what is being said here by all are valid points. I'm playing devils advocate. Don't hate me for it :new_smile-l:
I did not say a HC was necessary. I said one was used with new construction.
 
Who boy. sheesh!

Ms. Smith,

My sympathies. You have not even given the forum an adequate description of what you observed as to the level of completion regarding the space over the garage and here we have all the arm chair experts deciding what it was.

I just received a call from an irate lender <...... snip..... >

Did you post "lender" when you should have been posting mortgage broker?

<... snip....> , says underwriting kicked my report and I killed their loan unless I change my wording. I wrote....
"There is a recently completed, permitted 32'x32' garage with concrete slab flooring, power, painted fire resistant siding, and metal roofing. There is an area above the garage, which is set to be a second home of approximately 1,536 square feet. The area was noted, however not counted in this appraisal report, as it is not completed or permitted. The garage feature in the subject home is not typical for the area; as most homes do not have garages. In the sales comparison process a minimal garage adjustment was made."

Ok, I spot what I consider two mistakes right off. First, you can't just declare you did not consider the unfinished space due to lack of completion and permits. Your job is to reflect the market, or the EA's or HC's agreed to with your client, not your own reasons for dodging finding out if the market says that space has value even in it's current condition. If your client had been informed prior to your completion of the assignment of the situation, and a different SOW used a HC or EA "the unfinished portion has no value," could have been used depending on the intended use of the appraisal report. I am assuming you failed to prove the market would give it no value AND you never consulted with your client regarding an alteration in the agreed SOW. If I am correct, you blew it. If not, then this is just for others to read and consider.

Second, just because having a garage is atypical of the market area you assumned it had minimal market value? Ms. Smith, THAT is called a complex appraisal assignment, not proof the market would give the garage little value justifying a "minimal" adjustment. I hope you proved what you stated and did not just toss some small adjustment at it because you couldn't find comparable sales with garages.

The above said, I fully support your factual reporting of what you observed. I have no idea what level of finish you found, it may have been very apparent they were building a second residence on the real property. Not knowing the level of finish and the entire situation, I feel some posters are off base saying what they would have done. It just makes them sound like they would intentionally have sidestepped the issue to kiss their client's ***. So I commend you on your fortitude.

They want me to remove the part about the unfinished room. I was only reporting what I had seen on the property as I do in every report; I had no intention of "killing" a loan. Now I am left with a very unhappy lender (one who will no doubt switch to another appraiser after this), and a felling of frustration. I only disclosed what I observed and what was told to me by the home owner.

Welcome to the ranks of those appraisers with spines. It is a tough and proud group. Though obviously a dying breed. No, nobody wants the truth anymore. It has become about who can lie the best via omission or other methods.

Is there anything I can do to help appease the underwriter and the lender without doing what they are asking? I'm not about to remove wording from my report ... but is there some way to ad an addenda that more clearly states what I said without killing a loan?

The loan is not your responsibility. USPAP and your other state appraisal administrative rules are. Don't feel guilty, don't allow yourself to be intimidated. Any actually good appraiser looses clients. Only Skippy keeps all the mortgage brokers.

I was not speculating when I stated second home. The verbage acutally came directly from the homeowners mouth, " ....this area is going to be our second home, once we complete it; that's what this loan will be for, to complete the home and get it permitted." She said she was not sure what she was going to do with the original home... keep it for her mother, split the lot (which is feasible/legal/possible) or rent it out.

Golly gee, then the land is NOT at it's highest and best use now is it? If splitting the lot into two separate lots and houses is feasible, legal, and possible are you saying there is no market to do that? You DID use the word "feasible" above did you not? What did your report say? I would expect that to have killed any loan too, along with anything else these days. Again, sounds like a complex appraisal to me. Hope you considered that and the affect on land value.

I did submit photos, both of the interior and exterior of the garage. I did not submit photos of the area above the garage because I did not weight this feature in the report. Should I have submitted interior shots of this area?

Since when do we not 100% disclose everything about a property that should be disclosed? If you are going to properly describe it, why not provide photos of it? Sometimes it is MORE important to provide photos of the issues versus photos of all the non-issues. Mortgage brokers who want sanitation of all appraisal reports be damned.

Your client could have it worse. Tell em I could be their appraiser! Offer to let em post their complaint here in this thread. I look forward to pounding them into submission for you... ;)

Webbed.
 
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