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Use of HOA and non-HOA comparable

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Not more than the present value of the cost of the HOA over the life of the loan. Most likely less or even negative. Thi y to find comps with and without and compare. It may end up just like MarkK stated.
:You have to do the research for YOUR area it may be quite different.
 
Thanks to everyone that shared their opinion, seeing things from different perspectives really helps. Inherently, there is a lot of psychology involved with all the buyer and seller choices and weighing of positive and negatives with each aspect of a transaction. We are often asked to quantify qualitative aspects, when in the end, the answer is really much simpler. Explaining this to the U/W that it's just a matter of preference and there doesn't seem to be a market reaction to the pool, clubhouse, etc. since the prices seem homogenous within the neighborhood is the tricky part.
 
Thanks to everyone that shared their opinion, seeing things from different perspectives really helps. Inherently, there is a lot of psychology involved with all the buyer and seller choices and weighing of positive and negatives with each aspect of a transaction. We are often asked to quantify qualitative aspects, when in the end, the answer is really much simpler. Explaining this to the U/W that it's just a matter of preference and there doesn't seem to be a market reaction to the pool, clubhouse, etc. since the prices seem homogenous within the neighborhood is the tricky part.
It's not that tricky....you just explained it !

Some buyers would rather forgo the clubhouse and pool and save the $125 a month. What counts is the prices are roughly the same
 
It's not that tricky....you just explained it !

Some buyers would rather forgo the clubhouse and pool and save the $125 a month. What counts is the prices are roughly the same
The overall range in the prices between the HOA and non-HOA in the area for the same type of homes is less than 10%. I was taught to not over lap and use HOA and non-HOA homes interchangeably a long time ago, but things have changed development wise in some neighborhoods. We are the canary's in the tunnel, the U/W are still a few miles behind.
 
The overall range in the prices between the HOA and non-HOA in the area for the same type of homes is less than 10%. I was taught to not over lap and use HOA and non-HOA homes interchangeably a long time ago, but things have changed development wise in some neighborhoods. We are the canary's in the tunnel, the U/W are still a few miles behind.
If HOA houses and non HOA houses , if either shows a pattern of higher or lower prices, then that indicates an adjustment for the HOA...but if the 10% and up to 10% variance is a mix between the two with no clear pattern, it likely comes down to an individual home appeal and upgrades.
 
I think the access to the pool and tennis courts is a pretty big deal. But again why do this? It creates a neighborhood of haves and have nots.
In CA Community pools and game courts were shut down for over a year and people still had to pay for them . This turned off a lot of owners in these communities and many say they will never purchase in a project that has HOA Dues. In that price engram I doubt if its even measurable BUT I certainly would not use HOA "V" non-HOA unless I was desperate for a comp. You also need to find out if a project includes Mello-Roos tax Assessments one of those projects may be and that can also be a way developers by pass HOA dues because the -maintenance fees are included in the Borrowers Property tax bills as Special Assessment districts and often at an -additional 1% or more so on a million dollar property those owners tax bills may be $10,000 a year higher than in an-adjacent development. In those situations a HOA due looks awful good when comparing to a home located in a Mello-Roos Tax District.
 
In CA Community pools and game courts were shut down for over a year and people still had to pay for them . This turned off a lot of owners in these communities and many say they will never purchase in a project that has HOA Dues. In that price engram I doubt if its even measurable BUT I certainly would not use HOA "V" non-HOA unless I was desperate for a comp. You also need to find out if a project includes Mello-Roos tax Assessments one of those projects may be and that can also be a way developers by pass HOA dues because the -maintenance fees are included in the Borrowers Property tax bills as Special Assessment districts and often at an -additional 1% or more so on a million dollar property those owners tax bills may be $10,000 a year higher than in an-adjacent development. In those situations a HOA due looks awful good when comparing to a home located in a Mello-Roos Tax District.
I did decide not to use the HOA homes in the end. There was no mello-Roos on any of the homes, and typically mello-roos assessments are normally for new or newer homes in my area. It's a convenient way to pass the cost to the homeowner for the "benefits" they receive with regards to parks, tennis courts and such. I think it's a dirty way of passing the cost. In this particular neighborhood, that $125 HOA is actually a great deal and what you get in return is quite good. In addition to the front yard landscaping which as I mentioned, typically costs about $100-150 normally if you hired landscapers, you get the private pool, tennis courts and clubhouse. It would be hard to account for how many homeowners are paying for landscaping and how many are maintaining themselves, but just about all the homes are very well maintained and I saw a lot of landscapers in the area so one can assume a good amount pay for landscaping. It's one of the handful of times I've seen where you get more for the HOA than you pay for.
 
Not more than the present value of the cost of the HOA over the life of the loan. Most likely less or even negative. Thi y to find comps with and without and compare. It may end up just like MarkK stated.
:You have to do the research for YOUR area it may be quite different.
Rather than the life-of-the-loan, I would tend to rely upon a typical "holding period" based upon the length of time typical buyers in that market normally own before re-selling.
 
Even with homes with HOA fees, the fees vary that it's difficult to do adjustments Maybe some condo bldgs better managed in collecting reserves thus higher HOA fees.
It gets more difficult comparing with nonHOA fees.
If you can, stay with comps in same subdivision so you don't have to do adjustments for HOA differences.
 
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