Value For Solar System.

[prasercat]

when they refine the technology that can advantage reflected light, or ambient light, that's when I'd be a buyer. From here to there, it's fun to watch.

But if you have seen the magnets that zoom around in a circle and produce electric, man, you just have to marvel at what some people think about all day long.
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One area that isn't talked much about, but which should become a energy initiative, is dramatically increasing the efficiency of centralized power transmission. About 50% of the energy produced is wasted as heat on high power transmission lines - this technology has got to go, it's ridiculous. Perhaps electron oscillations in wire can be replaced by electromagnetic transmission; such as, in high powered lasers, or some other method.

That 50% is massive and it is just wasted.

Naturally, efficiency is anti-consumption with current energy monopolies, and just like alternative energy, the private sector isn't going to invest in it.

 

[Meandering]

We'll probably be living close together soon but I'm not sure where. It all depends on whether we run out of water before you guys run out of energy.

ADHD, almost never run out of energy.

Fact: The only state with more rivers, creeks and lakes then PA is Alaska.

We have water, it's the reason to stay here.

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[Meandering]

One area that isn't talked much about, but which should become a energy initiative, is dramatically increasing the efficiency of centralized power transmission. About 50% of the energy produced is wasted as heat on high power transmission lines - this technology has got to go, it's ridiculous. Perhaps electron oscillations in wire can be replaced by electromagnetic transmission; such as, in high powered lasers, or some other method.

That 50% is massive and it is just wasted.

Naturally, efficiency is anti-consumption with current energy monopolies, and just like alternative energy, the private sector isn't going to invest in it.

Cat,

quit making sense.

anti-consumption is the first rule to savings, and is where we started this thread a week or so ago.

Use a clothes line, save money. Use an electric water heater on a timer for only 3 hours a day, save money.

Put some aluminum gutters in a glass box and hang it outside the window with a fan and get free daytime solar heat without a government subsidy.

But darn, it's not sexy and doesn't cost us money so why go on?

How about just burying the overhead electric wires we have now, saves money immediately, and long term and saves lives when they are not coming down electrocuting people.


But hey, that DCF isn't going to be as much fun.



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[Meandering]

Not that I'm a geek or anything,

and not for nothing else, but,

when Edison electrified homes, he did it one at a time without a grid.

The old saying is true that Edison might have invented the light blub, but the guy who invented the meter made all the money.


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[Meandering]

Oh Snap! Right on Time!

CHART OF THE DAY: The Epic Implosion Of The Green Energy Bubble

The index currently has a market capitalization (free float) of approximately 11.07 Billion Euro.

Compare that with 28.67 Billion in 2009.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/renixx-renewable-energy-index-decline-2012-12#ixzz2EhJqLme7

 

[Lobo Fan]

I have looked at 3 houses with PV panels in the past week, all in town and selling back to the utility. They are saving the $150-$200 per month they use, plus they are getting checks for $250 per month, so the gross income is about $400 per month. That is a car payment.

 

[KD247]

.... saving the $150-$200 per month they use, plus they are getting checks for $250 per month, so the gross income is about $400 per month. That is a car payment.

Good way to look at it; it's actually about $50 more than the lease payment a new Prius plug-in. So, you could say that the system includes a new car and free fuel for life.

 

[prasercat]

CHART OF THE DAY: The Epic Implosion Of The Green Energy Bubble

The index currently has a market capitalization (free float) of approximately 11.07 Billion Euro.

Compare that with 28.67 Billion in 2009.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/renixx-renewable-energy-index-decline-2012-12#ixzz2EhJqLme7

An apparent victory for the large oil and coal companies. In this great nation of ours, we can't innovate without the permission of large mega-corporations, and as far as energy innovations go, not without big oil.

This top down regime created by unrestricted corporate growth and power has created the new "free markets", where innovation is stifled to maintain the status quo. This way, the monopolies can enjoy free markets - anything they want, when they want and for any price they want. It's just all the rest of us that aren't free.

However, while they can brainwash the masses with glee and stifle our own innovation and greatness under the ruse of free market purity, they won't be able to do so overseas. Therefore, look for the centers of innovation to be overseas if they continue to have significant ongoing successes.

While they couldn't buy the election this time around, they certainly are getting things done - job creation is certainly their strong suit, but only if it's their own jobs. Hey, I have an idea! - Let's give them a tax break so we can fund their support of free markets, job creation and innovation and employment graphs that go down.

http://revmodo.com/2012/07/25/republicans-still-looking-to-block-renewable-energy-loans/

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-iowa-as-federal-policy-uncertainty-continues

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/koch-brothers-fund-bogus-_b_2253472.html

Don't cry though, it is just when the smart people should be buying these stocks in a diversified portfolio - before a fiscal agreement is reached. You should buy on fear and sell when you are getting greedy and seeing blue sky.

 

[prasercat]

I have looked at 3 houses with PV panels in the past week, all in town and selling back to the utility. They are saving the $150-$200 per month they use, plus they are getting checks for $250 per month, so the gross income is about $400 per month. That is a car payment.

Have you decided how you are going to handle this? Are you going to do a depreciated cost of acquisition, DCF, use the SNL PV value spreadsheet or just not consider it as contributory for this property?

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

How about just burying the overhead electric wires we have now

Lightning will still strike underground cables BTW and you can get zapped by them too...

In this great nation of ours, we can't innovate without the permission of large mega-corporations, and as far as energy innovations go, not without big oil.

Big oil does not have to compete with them. They have to compete with oil and so far they are much more expensive. That is not the oil companies fault.. If you think Exxon bought up all the 100 mpg carburetors then I'll send you a tin foil hat. When oil was discovered, Drake was looking to make medicine for his clients not gasoline.

Solar panels makers here were using old technology and were not competitive with the Chinese. And we still have a problem. Who is going to make all that electricity after dark that we will need to refuel our electric cars overnight?

Geothermal energy, would be very competitive with wind and solar but location location location...it's not in the right place and is a poor step child to the sexier alternatives.