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All enforcement programs at every level of government faces the same question - do we have the will to commit the resources it takes to attain a reasonable level of compliance from the populace?


Hold the lenders directly accountable for the appraisals they use regardless of who engaged the appraiser. If a lender gets caught accepting a poorly prepared appraisals then slap the lender for taking it. Force them to get a new appraisal from a different vendor AND pay a fine for each such violation. Encourage them to complain about the appraiser by offering to reduce the fine by half if they file.

The cloak of plausible deniability provided by first the wholesale trade and then the AMCs has to be stripped away. Do that, and these bankers will be clamoring to drectly control the engagement and review and they'll be booting idiot appraisers left and right.
 
Hold the lenders directly accountable for the appraisals they use regardless of who engaged the appraiser.

Amen a million times.
 
Hold the lenders directly accountable for the appraisals they use regardless of who engaged the appraiser.


or IF they used an Appraiser .......at all.
 
Hold the lenders accountable for the entire loan package of which an appraisal might or might not be a part. Take the profit out of writing bad loans. Everyone else on the planet is held accoutable for their work products and services, why should mortgage lenders not be held to this same standard, especially with public funds being involved. It just seems like common sense. Until the politicans put the fixes where they belong to address this, they are not serious about coming clean and the honest appraiser and average citizen is screwed, once again...
 
An easy solution would be to have the lenders hold their loans for 18 to 24 months prior to sale.

Check how many foreclosures involve a borrower making no more than 3 payments. It would eliminate the fly by night mortgage brokers. It would make the lenders more responsible, not just paper pushers.
 
I have now come to a conclusion many of us may not like....or may not realize. The large lenders have no clue as to who was doing appraisals for the AMCs.....this is not to excuse them....all they wanted was profit and they could blame someone else....They fell asleeep at the wheel as long as they got a kickback on the appraisal fee.
 
......... got a kickback on the appraisal fee.
Folks at the TU AMC, told me that they would get bonuses on how fast and cheap they could get the appraisal.
 
I think the market is holding some of them accountable. Just ask the employees of IndyMac et al and now Fannie and Freddie. But what they are being held accountable for is not only appraisal related, but irrational lending decisions, folks not qualified now, put into loan programs with ARMS that increase the monthly payment in a year or 2 afterwards. Not exactly rocket surgery.
 
I like the idea of lenders holding the paper for a set period to season the loan prior to selling it, that makes sense!
 
I have worked as a reviewer/consultant on many cases. I have seen many appraisers get disciplined by state boards. I have seen people in mortgage fraud cases get jail time. I have never seen an appraiser punished for fraudulent report alteration done by someone else.

That depends on your definition of "punished." Numerous appraisers have been blacklisted for reports they never wrote. Numerous appraisers have had to defend a fraudulent report in front of their state board and prove it wasn't theirs. Such defense is onerous - I call that punishment.

We have been brainwashed into using "locked" PDF files as the standard, even though they offer no real security. One forumite challenged me on this claim. He emailed me a "locked" PDF. I emailed it back two minutes later unlocked. For our own protection, we need to embrace and use real digital signatures and get away from the illusion of security offered by Adobe's password system.

Neither do the portals or AMC's or any of the conversion programs. Their only usefulness is to provide alteration. I have seen altered Lighthouse reports - and recently, an altered AIReady report. And then there is Mr Hicks post under Clients, Good, Bad and Ugly about Flagstar and their pet AMC and an altered report.

As for the bigger picture, a large part of the blame is rightfully placed on unethical appraisers. You can't get an inflated appraisal report unless you have an unethical (or incompetent) appraiser.

Sure you can - you just have to rearrange a little data in that conversion program or the unlocked report given to the loan officer or processor, reapply the appraisers signature and VOILA - the report they want.

Blame also lies with states who treat fees from appraiser licensing as "general funds" rather than using the money to actually regulate appraisers. A few years ago our licensing fee doubled, yet the staff of our appraisal commission has been reduced from 4 people to 1 person.

Agreed - and more states need to hold their disciplinary hearings in full public view and not behind closed doors.

Blame lies with Congress for not giving the ASC the authority it needs to truly regulate. If judges and juries in criminal courts could impose only the death penalty, then "minor crimes" such as wreckless driving, assault, robbery, etc. would be widespread because we all know that no one would get the death penalty for those offenses. Yet Congress thought a system like that would work for oversight of state boards.

The ASC had their chance - it is time for the states to take over their own duties. It is time for the states to protect their own citizens and not depend on an organization who can't seem to settle on which version of USPAP is appropriate.

Perhaps the biggest single factor in the current problem is that lenders are not held accountable for the loans they make. This has really led to virtually everything else.

It seems like ancient history now, but in the days when lenders where lending their own money and not just packing deals to sell to investors, they were a lot more concerned with the quality of those loans.

I am in total agreement with those statements. Numerous folks in this thread have suggested it is time to make these lenders hold the paper for some period of time. That would go a long way to curbing fraud and the issuance of shaky loans.
 
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