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Here's what I think about experience and developing adjustments. I think the human brain is a tool to be used, not ignored. Just like our HP-12c or our magic black box analytical tool that someone else built and is charging us $12.95 a month to use to expedite our analysis. Our individual judgment is built in large part upon our accumulated exposure to everything we've seen and done. That is, to the extent we are learning from it. We are all of us walking, talking databases operating our own perpetual internal valuation model. Subject to model specification and model calibration via paying attention to the feedback. We can't compete with the machine when it comes to recalling the individual datapoints but we can see the pattern that occurs when we see the same thing 300 times over during the course of several years.

With that said, if/when you have all the really comparable data you need to tell the tale then obviously it's always going to be better to just let the data speak. Where the use of subjective opinion and judgement comes in is when the data is especially thin and we need to bridge the gap, and we're only doing that because we have no choice.

Your opinions can be argued. It's way harder for a critic to disagree with the data. I think that's the part these users want to emphasize. So WRT experience vs data I don't think that comes down to an either-or choice, but rather both when you have the means to do so. I think substituting your judgement in lieu of looking at the data is an unforced error. And unnecessary much of the time (although not all of the time).

When I review, I'm looking at the facts being asserted in support of the opinion; not so much at the opinion itself. If their facts are straight its hard for them to get too far from reasonable with their conclusions. The sales in the SC either are or are not the most similar overall to the subject. Their quality and condition ratings either are or are not reasonable enough to use. The adjustments either are or are not applied consistently. If an appraiser has their facts wrong enough to dork the value then they have nowhere to argue when you point those facts out.

That's how a reviewer avoids the catfight, by sticking to the data and the consistency; not by arguing individual line item adjustments.
 
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I wasn't so much thinking of appraising. Was thinking more like coding, or engineering fields. Although - the noob appraisers probably do have a competitive advantage over the 'old folks' (and I include myself in that group) WRT tools that make their jobs easier.
Big deal, they can use a "tool" easier -(and sometimes that ease means they use it to get meaningless results )) It may take us a few months to catch up - we have adapted to every new tech or software but none of it substitutes for market knowledge or understanding what we are doing -

Some people who post here do seem to understand what an appraisal opinion is, what its limits are, and call it an estimate, or think we are guestimating actual real-world prices. No tech will cure that-and over reliance on tech without understanding markets or the fundamentals of appraising can produce a misleading result.
 
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Here's what I think about experience and developing adjustments. I think the human brain is a tool to be used, not ignored. Just like our HP-12c or our magic black box analytical tool that someone else built and is charging us $12.95 a month to use to expedite our analysis. Our individual judgment is built in large part upon our accumulated exposure to everything we've seen and done. That is, to the extent we are learning from it. We are all of us walking, talking databases operating our own perpetual internal valuation model. Subject to model specification and model calibration via paying attention to the feedback. We can't compete with the machine when it comes to recalling the individual datapoints but we can see the pattern that occurs when we see the same thing 300 times over during the course of several years.

With that said, if/when you have all the really comparable data you need to tell the tale then obviously it's always going to be better to just let the data speak. Where the use of subjective opinion and judgement comes in is when the data is especially thin and we need to bridge the gap, and we're only doing that because we have no choice.

Your opinions can be argued. It's way harder for a critic to disagree with the data. I think that's the part these users want to emphasize. So WRT experience vs data I don't think that comes down to an either-or choice, but rather both when you have the means to do so. I think substituting your judgement in lieu of looking at the data is an unforced error. And unnecessary much of the time (although not all of the time).

When I review, I'm looking at the facts being asserted in support of the opinion; not so much at the opinion itself. If their facts are straight its hard for them to get too far from reasonable with their conclusions. The sales in the SC either are or are not the most similar overall to the subject. Their quality and condition ratings either are or are not reasonable enough to use. The adjustments either are or are not applied consistently. If an appraiser has their facts wrong enough to dork the value then they have nowhere to argue when you point those facts out.

That's how a reviewer avoids the catfight, by sticking to the data and the consistency; not by arguing individual line item adjustments.
Experience and judgment ( and ethics) are all crucial to credibly supported results.

Appraisers typically have access to the same data—MLS and public records. There are only so many sales at a given time. Deciding which sales or listings are relevant and which data to choose or exclude is what makes the difference. Any software tools, when used, should support the market conclusions from the appraiser's own analysis, not substitute for it.
 
If experience does not matter, then they should issue a license upon completion of the test. No experience required.
AND...nix all continuing education.... I mean, what's the point? Why expand your knowledge base and stay updated in the field? The AMC stips will tell you what to do....no need for school.

You certainly don't get a Competitive Edge in the field as the AMCs like the newbies to control. More education in this field doesn't = more pay (strictly speaking AMC work....which is most GSE work).

Yes, I know for you naysayers... continuing education enhances your skills to get the private gigs ( divorce, estate, Construction loans, etc.) Again, not the bulk of the work.
 
Tech makes our job easier or faster but how is that more important then experience in the market that leads to credibly supported values - ?
Don't recall ever saying that tech is more important than experience? It would depend on the experience one has, I'd guess. The point was that there are a LOT of tools out there that can aid an appraiser in being faster and more efficient as compared to the tools that were available even 10 years ago. And if the oldsters haven't adopted some or most of those, they're at a competitive disadvantage compared to the noobs. Try slowing down and reading the posts - it might help keep you from making unsubstantiated accusations.
 
Don't recall ever saying that tech is more important than experience? It would depend on the experience one has, I'd guess. The point was that there are a LOT of tools out there that can aid an appraiser in being faster and more efficient as compared to the tools that were available even 10 years ago. And if the oldsters haven't adopted some or most of those, they're at a competitive disadvantage compared to the noobs. Try slowing down and reading the posts - it might help keep you from making unsubstantiated accusations.
It is a mistake to make appraisal into a speed race - as if shaving 20 minutes off the time is the goal rather than producing credible results

The loans are for 15 - 30 years and the property values in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yeah, a competitive disadvantage for low-hanging AMC fruit only - we deliver in plenty of quick time, typically 48 hours after inspection for clients that want good work -
 
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