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rtubbs

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I appraised a property with a water heater located in storage area attached to the house. I required a extension pipe from the pressure relief value to within 8-10" of the floor (the requirement under the old FHA rules).

The FHA fee inspector was inspecting for a structural problem and was to clear the water heater condition as well. He advised the lender that the extension pipe had to go to the exterior of the dwelling. Can't find anything in 4150.2 regarding this, or for the extension to be any certain distance from the floor. The house is 15 years old and located in an area that has no building code requirements.

How do others handle similar conditions? Comments would be appreciated.
 

Ted Martin

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It doesn't sound like it's your problem if the HUD inspector called for it. It's not in the 4150 anywhere that I can find but it is required by building code in quite a few markets, and it makes very good sense. The level of protection compared to the cost is almost nothing.
 

Ben Vukicevich SRA

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Ron,

Actually, you won't find anything in 4150.2 about tailpipes on pressure relief valves. Old FHA guys like us require them under the "safety" aspect of FHA regs so that no one is scalded should the relief valve let go. We used 6" to the floor out here.

If there are no building codes, where did the FHA inspector come up with the extension to the outside of the house? The unit is in a storage shed so there is nothing to be damaged if the relief valve lets go, right? And, who really needs a tailpipe on the relief valve if the water heater is in a storage shed-who's going to be inside the shed when the relief valve lets go...... Think about that one

Second, the FHA inspector shouldn't be adding requirements to your appraisals after the fact. They can, and some do, report you to FHA for missing or overlooking repairs but they are there to clear the VC sheet conditions, not to add.

Ben
 

Verne Hebert

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Everybody bad.

FHA/HUD 4150.2 refers to CABO one and two family dwelling units when no model code exists. This requires the piping of the T&P piping outside of the building ,or to a floor drain, or floor sink(generally a commercial application).

But you know what? I personally have never heard of a T & P valve going and I had a service plumbing company in the early 80's.
 

Ben Vukicevich SRA

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Verne,

I do lots of new construction in NJ and DE for several different builders. I have yet to see any tailpipe piped to the outside, a floor drain or a sink. They just hang down the side of the unit to within 6" of the floor. ... and they all swear it conforms to CABO on the Builders Certification form...Oh well, so much for that..

Ben
 

rtubbs

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Verne, I was referring to a situation that (1) is an existing dwelling and (2) is in an area with no building code. CABO doesn't apply in this instance.
 
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