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What condition rating is this kitchen indicative of today?

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Hmmm. I went back n forth a few times in the past with JG who says Unequivocally that the Condition rating is not and can never be relative to tbe market..

Well, he means "condition rating" as defined by Fannie Mae. Of course, you give Fannie Mae what it wants according to its definitions. That does not mean you have to use their rating in actually determining the value of properties. Fannie Mae's rating becomes merely a footnote intended solely to satisfy FM.

My system is 0.00-10.00, which reflects the percentage of properties in the market area that have less appeal than a given property. That is to say, a CQA score of 3.4 means that I estimate, based on my experience in the market area, that 34% of homes have lower appeal than a given property. You can break general CQA appeal down as far as you want, for example, to the kitchen, master bathroom, or set of all bathrooms in a home. There is a very good reason to believe we could create an AI program that could be trained to do a pretty good job of objectively ranking photos for this purpose.

BTW, I finished my first AI Logistic Regression Neural Net Python program yesterday. It analyzes photos and tells me if there is a cat in them or not. So, it is just a matter of time before I start working on this with real MLS photos. And, of course, I am not the only one doing this. Not by a long shot.
 
Well, he means "condition rating" as defined by Fannie Mae. Of course, you give Fannie Mae what it wants according to its definitions. That does not mean you have to use their rating in actually determining the value of properties. Fannie Mae's rating becomes merely a footnote intended solely to satisfy FM.

My system is 0.00-10.00, which reflects the percentage of properties in the market area that have less appeal than a given property. That is to say, a CQA score of 3.4 means that I estimate, based on my experience in the market area, that 34% of homes have lower appeal than a given property. You can break general CQA appeal down as far as you want, for example, to the kitchen, master bathroom, or set of all bathrooms in a home. There is a very good reason to believe we could create an AI program that could be trained to do a pretty good job of objectively ranking photos for this purpose.

BTW, I finished my first AI Logistic Regression Neural Net Python program yesterday. It analyzes photos and tells me if there is a cat in them or not. So, it is just a matter of time before I start working on this with real MLS photos. And, of course, I am not the only one doing this. Not by a long shot.
I don't buy into your premise, which tends to debunk the baseline concept of residential appraising by indicating tht the client, as defined by its industry defintition, determines the standards that appraiser's follow--even if the clients liteally aren't aware of the destinctions. IMO it's scrude enough to apply a different standard of appraising including verbiage and inudstry nomenclatue, to lending vs non-lending assignments, but to make futher disinctions determined by the extent to which the secondary market is an additional client, waters-down significance of a common industry protcol, as fragmented as it is already. Also, your desire to further classify condition into increments of tenths is prudent IMO alhough many practioners dislike any kind of rating system, let along one that is definitive --except for the fact that the scearnio easily could arise when Appraiser A applies that prremise while Appraisal B applies the standard FNMA Condition raings, which at least are defined, andd formalized. And at this rate I'm gonna need at least one more llifetime to even understand AI let alone apply it....
 
Well, he means "condition rating" as defined by Fannie Mae. Of course, you give Fannie Mae what it wants according to its definitions. That does not mean you have to use their rating in actually determining the value of properties. Fannie Mae's rating becomes merely a footnote intended solely to satisfy FM.

My system is 0.00-10.00, which reflects the percentage of properties in the market area that have less appeal than a given property. That is to say, a CQA score of 3.4 means that I estimate, based on my experience in the market area, that 34% of homes have lower appeal than a given property. You can break general CQA appeal down as far as you want, for example, to the kitchen, master bathroom, or set of all bathrooms in a home. There is a very good reason to believe we could create an AI program that could be trained to do a pretty good job of objectively ranking photos for this purpose.

BTW, I finished my first AI Logistic Regression Neural Net Python program yesterday. It analyzes photos and tells me if there is a cat in them or not. So, it is just a matter of time before I start working on this with real MLS photos. And, of course, I am not the only one doing this. Not by a long shot.
Appeal is not the same thing as condition. Appeal speaks to style and trends ( and normally, newer materials are more in trend ). However, an ugly or unpopular color choice of cabinets can be newer or in very good C3 condition.

It is true that the condition ratings do not determine the value of properties. The value is developed by the appraiser in the adjustments and reconciliation that accounts for the whole of the parts. A C4 property in a high-demand location or with a great view can sell for more than a same-size C4 property close by. Trends come and go and are more critical in high-value properties. Every appraisal is different and relying on a computer to scan photos for condition or appeal - seems a person can do that, but either way, the price and the value reflect the entire property, and its features and defects (if any).
 
Appeal is not the same thing as condition. Appeal speaks to style and trends ( and normally, newer materials are more in trend ). However, an ugly or unpopular color choice of cabinets can be newer or in very good C3 condition.

It is true that the condition ratings do not determine the value of properties. The value is developed by the appraiser in the adjustments and reconciliation that accounts for the whole of the parts. A C4 property in a high-demand location or with a great view can sell for more than a same-size C4 property close by. Trends come and go and are more critical in high-value properties. Every appraisal is different and relying on a computer to scan photos for condition or appeal - seems a person can do that, but either way, the price and the value reflect the entire property, and its features and defects (if any).

You are saying that homes that are in better condition don't have more appeal than homes in poorer condition. But that clearly isn't true, generally speaking. Take a home that was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, but is now completely run down and in poor condition, with mold growing in many places, termite damage, and so on. Where is your "appeal?" No, "Appeal" is a general description of how much a buyer is drawn to a particular property or property component.

So, you are wrong.

Grok, which parses the entire world of documents and writings, confirms the meaning and use of appeal. It is the expert here:

"Appeal in real estate unequivocally encompasses condition, quality of construction, functional utility, and design, as these elements collectively shape a home’s desirability, marketability, and value. Each contributes to the aesthetic, functional, emotional, and economic dimensions of appeal, influencing how buyers perceive and prioritize a property. A home that excels in these areas is more likely to attract interest, command a premium price, and sell quickly. If you seek further clarification or wish to explore how these factors apply to a specific property or market, please provide additional details, and I can offer a tailored analysis."

The features described by the concept of "Appeal" are not objectively and directly measurable. The Residual, however, is a rather precise, although indirect measurement of Appeal, which is the difference between what someone pays for a home (assuming it is an arms-length transaction with full knowledge) and the estimate of its price based on its measurable features, where we are excluding measurable features from the concept of "Appeal." [ Note: Yes, a large GLA home may have more appeal than a small GLA home, all other things being equal. But a run-down large GLA home, may very well have less appeal than a very nice small GLA home. So, GLA is not a deciding factor in what most people consider "Appeal." ]
 
Obviously, hoes in better condition have more appeal (which can be adjusted for )

But appeal is a broader concept that transcends condition. Appeal can speak to trend, be it modern or historic, location, view, etc.

In some markets, a C4 home with architectural detail can have more appeal and sell for more than a boring tract home in C3 condition. This is one small example.e. That is why RE is complex and Grok or other robot, computer and AI attempts to integrate the various moving parts can be "off" -
 
It definitely looks like a Q4 kitchen. Why would a 25 year old kitchen indicate C3? Around 10-15 years ago it would have been indicative of a C3 kitchen.

So if you guys are saying this kitchen is indicative of C3, when does this 25 year old kitchen become a C4?
Its hard to tell w/o knowing. The appliances are not 25 years old-much newer, they are still selling those cabinets, but the edge style of the counters might indicate at least 15 years, but that style is coming back in, as a 'classic or 'retro' look. A 25 year old kitchen can very well have elements that are less than a year old. You get to decide, that is why they pay you the big bucks. In the end, IMO its not so much the actual classification you give it, its how you adjust for and explain the adjustments.
 
Hmmm. I went back n forth a few times in the past with JG who says Unequivocally that the Condition rating is not and can never be relative to tbe market..
That is the whole point of the ratings, to make them uniform across all market and all reports. It used to be what was average in a high end market was very good in a low end market. Same rating, wildly different components.
 
Its hard to tell w/o knowing. The appliances are not 25 years old-much newer, they are still selling those cabinets, but the edge style of the counters might indicate at least 15 years, but that style is coming back in, as a 'classic or 'retro' look. A 25 year old kitchen can very well have elements that are less than a year old. You get to decide, that is why they pay you the big bucks. In the end, IMO its not so much the actual classification you give it, its how you adjust for and explain the adjustments.

I'm not appraising this house. These are just random photos to see what people think when they see it.

I disagree with much of what you say though. Corian counters with that edge is definitely not coming back in, and that is not 15 years ago around here. Those countertops are probably from the 90's. In which case, so are probably the cabinets. And nobody is selling cabinets with oversized rail and stiles on the doors. And we don't know how old the appliances are from the photo. Stainless does not equal much newer.
 
I'm not appraising this house. These are just random photos to see what people think when they see it.

I disagree with much of what you say though. Corian counters with that edge is definitely not coming back in, and that is not 15 years ago around here. Those countertops are probably from the 90's. In which case, so are probably the cabinets. And nobody is selling cabinets with oversized rail and stiles on the doors. And we don't know how old the appliances are from the photo. Stainless does not equal much newer.
Disagree, I googled the counters to try and get a fix on how old they are, and that style is coming back, like it or not. And yes, they are selling and installing those cabinets.
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