What Do You Consider To Be Data Sources And Verification Sources?

[Stone]

Some discussions on this forum make me think of the old Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck rabbit season, duck season argument

Ha! And a few posters tend to be in the majority of those discussions.

 

[ucbruin]

UCbruin will question anything you say about litigation work as he has numerous times in another thread. And he IS an expert, completing three litigation reports in his 30 years of appraising.

https://appraisersforum.com/forums/...tact-information-for-hurricane.218021/page-12

I noticed you did not take the time to respond to my post #111 before the thread was locked.....

Or to my post #87 in this thread....

I don't pick on your posts because of your appraisal methodology.....
I pick on your posts because they are inconsistent and rather scattered.....
Your attorney posts were all over the place as to the number of reports, the number of attorneys and most of all your inconsistent support regarding your attorneys reading your reports in their entirety....

Take a moment and reread them imagining that I posted them...
Scrutinize them as if you wanted to pick them apart.....
Then you may just agree with me....

 

[Michigan CG]

https://appraisersforum.com/forums/...tact-information-for-hurricane.218021/page-12

I noticed you did not take the time to respond to my post #111 before the thread was locked.....

Or to my post #87 in this thread....

I don't pick on your posts because of your appraisal methodology.....
I pick on your posts because they are inconsistent and rather scattered.....
Your attorney posts were all over the place as to the number of reports, the number of attorneys and most of all your inconsistent support regarding your attorneys reading your reports in their entirety....

Take a moment and reread them imagining that I posted them...
Scrutinize them as if you wanted to pick them apart.....
Then you may just agree with me....

Post #111...............I gave you explanations and you don't seem to understand them.

Post 87 proves my point.................in reference to the attorney discussion you are clueless and I was very consistent.

 

[ucbruin]

Post #111...............I gave you explanations and you don't seem to understand them.

Post 87 proves my point.................in reference to the attorney discussion you are clueless and I was very consistent.

Post # 82
Me:
But do you think there is anyone on the lawyer's staff that is qualified to review a report?
Residential and/or Commercial...

You:
I will be submitting 18 reports to an attorney next week and she will read every word. She does a lot of real estate and tax appeal work. She knows what she is doing.


Post #91
Me:
I find it hard to believe that the attorney is going to pore through your ALL 18 reports

You:
You have done three total reports for attorneys over a 30 year period and you are second guessing what a real estate attorney will do?

She will go through them all because she wants to find mistakes or questions before the other side does. You have absolutely no credible experience in this type of work but yet you question it.

Danny Wiley is hanging out in this thread and I am sure he can attest that when he did legal work there were attorneys who read every last word of his reports.

There are some attorneys who know more about appraisal than some appraisers.

Post #100
Me:
Will your attorney ask you to show support why you didn't make a bedroom adjustment?
Why you made or didn't make a half bathroom adjustment?
Why you made or didn't make a garage adjustment?
How you decided on $/sf adjustment?
For all 18 reports????
I doubt it.....

You:
You need to think outside of your little box or quit stalking me or both.

There are only two houses involved, one on 74 acres and one on ??? acres. A half bath adjustment wouldn't even make a ripple in the overall value.

There are a total 23 reports for three different attorneys. One of them will read every word and I am guessing the other one will too. The third one I don't know so can't say.

Given you know little about how all of this works, the divorce attorneys typically know little about appraisals but sometimes will hire the appraiser to review the other side's appraisal so that they can look for things to shoot holes in. Divorces in Michigan very rarely go to actual court and are most of the time settled in mediation. If it does go to a judge the judge is usually annoyed and just places the value right down the middle.

These cases are not for divorce.

These will not be written on forms.

Post #107
Me:
Are you now saying only 2 reports for this attorney and not 18????
Can you get any dumber????
I bet you can!!!!!

You:
Smoking pot again?

23 reports. One attorney gets 18 of them. One attorney gets three of them, one attorney gets two of them.


One of them will read every word and I am guessing the other one will too. The third one I don't know so can't say.

I'm just an old pot smoking hippie, but I find your above admission, following your prior statements, to be evidence that many of your statements are inconsistent....
1st it's 1 attorney 18 reports...
Then that attorney is only going to receive 2 report....
Then it's 23 reports for 3 attorneys....

Of the 3 attorneys...
The female who receives 2 reports, not 18, will read every word of the reports.
You GUESS the other one will too!!!!!
The 3rd one you DON'T KNOW so you can't say!!!!
Inconsistency abounds....

 

[Michigan CG]

1st it's 1 attorney 18 reports...
Then that attorney is only going to receive 2 report....
Then it's 23 reports for 3 attorneys....

Of the 3 attorneys...
The female who receives 2 reports, not 18, will read every word of the reports.
You GUESS the other one will too!!!!!
The 3rd one you DON'T KNOW so you can't say!!!!
Inconsistency abounds....

You are truly dense or high, or both.

One attorney is getting 18 reports, she will read them all.
One attorney is getting 3 reports, he will most likely read all three, line by line.
One attorney is getting 2 reports, I don't know her, she might read them.

Your original statement was that attorneys would not read them line by line. You haven't dealt with this type of litigation......ever. You have never dealt with Real Estate Attorneys....ever.

Your stalking is getting a little concerning especially for a guy who has no experience.

 

[ucbruin]

You are truly dense or high, or both.

One attorney is getting 18 reports, she will read them all.
One attorney is getting 3 reports, he will most likely read all three, line by line.
One attorney is getting 2 reports, I don't know her, she might read them.

Your original statement was that attorneys would not read them line by line. You haven't dealt with this type of litigation......ever. You have never dealt with Real Estate Attorneys....ever.

Your stalking is getting a little concerning especially for a guy who has no experience.

"Your original statement was that attorneys would not read them line by line."


One attorney is getting 18 reports, she will read them all.
One attorney is getting 3 reports, he will most likely read all three, line by line.
One attorney is getting 2 reports, I don't know her, she might read them.

And I guess from your examples I'll never, and it seems to me you'll never, know for sure.....



You haven't dealt with this type of litigation......ever. You have never dealt with Real Estate Attorneys....ever.

Your stalking is getting a little concerning especially for a guy who has no experience.

MCG,

I am the yang to your Exos ying......

 

[ucbruin]

Sure I use comps that I don't confirm with a Realtor but I state in my addenda "I was not able to confirm this sale with either Realtor involved in the sale."

No, I use what I think are the best comps in a report.

Nine sales is very rare and I only research sales that I am going to use.

I have never had a situation where there are 20 potential sales.

Today's report had eleven comps. It was a 1,401 SF house. I had ONE sale, six land sales and four lease comps. I was able to verify all but two of them but used them all.

I am with Mich on this. Yes, I will use an unverified sale, however, as required, I state that it wasn't verified and I treat it as such in weighing them, if I use it.

Boys,

I'd like to know how the 2 of you fail to recognize the hypocrisy of your positions....
Of pointing fingers and making disparaging remarks about other appraisers who you consider violating appraisal rules....
Even as the both of you admit to also braking the same rules????

I don't recall reading any appraisal language absolving an appraiser from breaking of the rule if the appraiser includes a statement of "I tried my best"....

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

I don't recall reading any appraisal language absolving an appraiser from breaking of the rule i

What rule? USPAP says if available... Fannie Mae says,

"If the sale cannot be verified by a party to the transaction, the Appraiser
may rely on public records or another verifiable impartial source."​

 

[Michigan CG]

What rule? USPAP says if available... Fannie Mae says,

"If the sale cannot be verified by a party to the transaction, the Appraiser
may rely on public records or another verifiable impartial source."​

I am pretty convinced that UC posts when he is bored and high.

 

[ucbruin]

What rule? USPAP says if available... Fannie Mae says,

"If the sale cannot be verified by a party to the transaction, the Appraiser
may rely on public records or another verifiable impartial source."​

That, my friend, is the point.....