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What I learned at the FREAB meeting

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Like I stated I was in and out due to work needed to be done and at time needed to think about what I was doing. But I guess what gave me some concern, Was the 1 man stating the investigator wanted to know were his paired sales information on all the sales he did not put report, but were in his work file. Showing why these were not good sales to put in report.

This bothered me; I sometimes read a MLS report, see something and Nope not this one, Example might have a pool or something subject does not have. I will leave in file but do not write down for why I did not use. I guess per the comments made should I state on everyone I do not use why? Other times when there are a lot of sales might pull a one liner of 20 +-sales. at +- SqFt, then choose which are the closest to subject’s location which of these to shoot pics of. Then narrow down further from these when back at office, (love Digital cameras) when I pull entire MLS/Public records then after reading info on each. But, since one liner is in file, should report why each of these 20+- were not used?

I always try to take more sales than what I need. (Because sometimes you really do not know size and or condition till onsite) and start narrowing down after inspecting subject, but most work at this point I am doing in my head. But what I do in my head is not on paper in work file, Do we need to put every detail of our work process in writing? I see some of the point is when asked to explain 2 to 5 years later will we really know what we were thinking that day?

Dan,

When I have a sale that does not "smell right" I note on the printed MLS sheet my concerns. I have not progressed to the point that my work files are digital, I am still a dinosaur. I print out the gross sales from a MLS search and also specific sales I consider potential comps.
 
:new_all_coholic: Late to the party as usual...it was great to put faces to the many names on the FAF.

I thought Greg hit the three points well...I would add that to return in "a timely fashion" on a complaint by the state, would be within 21 days...not a minute later! I did feel for the gentleman from Jax (I believe) whose appraisal appeared pretty solid and his reasoning and logic was solid as well...but because he did not return in a timely fashion, he paid a heavy price because he could not dispute the charges at that point.

As to Dan's point...witnessing the amount of "insufficient workfile" claims, I have started (today) making notes on my .PDF's (MLS sheets, public record sheets) by utilizing Adobe's comment tool which is a little yellow sticky to explain why I did not consider a comp or make notes on maps. I would rather have too many digital notes than not enough?!
 
:new_all_coholic: Late to the party as usual...it was great to put faces to the many names on the FAF.

I thought Greg hit the three points well...I would add that to return in "a timely fashion" on a complaint by the state, would be within 21 days...not a minute later! I did feel for the gentleman from Jax (I believe) whose appraisal appeared pretty solid and his reasoning and logic was solid as well...but because he did not return in a timely fashion, he paid a heavy price because he could not dispute the charges at that point.

As to Dan's point...witnessing the amount of "insufficient workfile" claims, I have started (today) making notes on my .PDF's (MLS sheets, public record sheets) by utilizing Adobe's comment tool which is a little yellow sticky to explain why I did not consider a comp or make notes on maps. I would rather have too many digital notes than not enough?!
Rumor about that Jax appraisal is that comp #2 that had 3 lots with no adjustment had the house on it torn down not long after that sale and now has 3 new houses on those 3 lots. MAYBE, he was 'lucky' he was late.
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I was at the FREAB meeting

I attended the FREAB meeting on Tuesday, Feb 6, 2007 and again, abundant accolades to Frank and every board member for their dedication, patience and endurance.

I've served on city planning, zoning and code enforcements boards for over 18 years and even with the best of staff, the time spent on reviewing the case packets can be overwhelming. Frank, great job in chairing and your command of Roberts Rules and dueling attornies was impressive.

I also had the pleasure of meeting our own Pam Crowley and some other stressed out brunette who's appearance kept changing throughout the day. They are both delightful!

And now, for those who care, here's the inside story on the appraiser that unsucessfully argued that the review of interior photos met the legal definition of an interior inspection. Yes, you heard right.

His shop's MO was to send out solo trainees to the appointments to do the field inspections while the three 'certifieds' sat in the office all day writing up reports and signing on the left side as personally inspecting the interiors. In this case, the trainee was never mentioned in the report. In fact, as it turns out this trainee wasn't even licensed in any capacity when he did the inspection!

How do I know all this? Because the trainee explained to me in detail as to how his shop operated AFTER I handed him my combo appraiser/Realtor business card. He further advised me that it wasn't his job to pull comps because he worked for a quality appraisal firm and his supervisor had many years in the business. In fact, that was why he was taking so many pictures. I motioned to my business card that he held in has hand and said..."you know, I'm also an appraiser". He smiled and suggested that I should already know this stuff. He told me not to worry and assured me that I was in good hands. I slept better that night. :new_sleeping:

I have long suspected that many appraisers / trainees operate this way in the Central Florida area (because I've gone behind them and checked with homeowners during reviews), this was the first one I was able to prove with such a degree of certainty. The owners were in Alabama for an extended period of time. I had removed the multi-lock and I was the only person with a key. I lived two houses away and had the stay-at-home moms in the neighborhood on a 24-hour watch. There was no way that supervisory appraiser was getting into that house without going through me. Oddly enough, he never called.

While on the one hand I feel justice was served, I couldn't help but feel sympathy for this guy. Call me a bleeding heart, but the look on his face when the board lowered the boom was heartwrenching. I genuinely couldn't help but feel sorry for him.

That said, I couldn't get over some of his defenses during the mitigation segment. He made the comment that the initial complaint didn't even take issue with his final appraised value, so why was he even there? I can never quite get over appraisers like him who just don't grasp the whole picture. One has to ask why so many are clueless. Something is seriously wrong.

My emotions were somewhat offset when I was told that his two former colleagues continue to operate in the same way. I see many other shops operating this way; they simply never get caught.

If the lending industry, the State of Florida, FNMA etc., really wanted to put a stop to this kind of fraud, it's easily done. Maybe it's just me. :shrug:
 
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I, too, was amazed with how even-handed everything was handled. It seemed everyone got what they had coming, whether sanctions were stiffened or softened. Have to admit though, it seems that if you're in the biz long enough, you'll be in front of the board --- just seems like every report is a mine field just waiting for you to step on one. I know I am now being doubly careful to check, double check, document and safeguard files and their contents.

These meetings should not only be required for trainees, but for all appraisers as part of their CE credits every two years. What an eye-opening meeting!!!
 
I don't suppose there's a video log of these meetings that might be publicly available?
 
Chuck,

Good question, but they are broadcast over a webcam.

Good times.
 
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