What's the point of take state exams

[Randolph Kinney]

You haven't been watching the Pass/Fail rates for the exams, have you?

Yes I have. Those rates are before the exam questions were known with their corresponding answers. Next year will be a significantly higher pass rate.

Or, are you suggesting that it is not possible to memorize all the questions that will be on the exam by drill, repeatedly going over and over all the questions with the corresponding answers?

Any one can pass a test that way. It does not mean you are competent. It means you know the answers to the questions.

 

[CANative]

I can't wait for LSI or appraisalport to require the appraiser to pass a 10 question test before it will allow him to upload the report.

 

[Laughing Heir]

The failure rate for the CR exam in PA is over 90%.

 

[TC]

The failure rate for the CR exam in PA is over 90%.

The easiest test in the world, hard to believe. Must be all those GED people taking it.

 

[Lee Lansford]

Yes I have. Those rates are before the exam questions were known with their corresponding answers. Next year will be a significantly higher pass rate.

Or, are you suggesting that it is not possible to memorize all the questions that will be on the exam by drill, repeatedly going over and over all the questions with the corresponding answers?

Any one can pass a test that way. It does not mean you are competent. It means you know the answers to the questions.

The exam questions do not remain the same..at least from one test provider...and I have to assume that others have a similar protocol. The exam questions are "graded" (by the providers)to determine which are "too easy" and which are "too difficult; from this, adjustments are made to the tests.

I seriously doubt whether anyone (including HHH) has "THE TEST" with all of the answers. Practice exam questions, and answers, have been around for years and I doubt if what we're discussing here is anything earth-shaking.

 

[Randolph Kinney]

The exam questions do not remain the same..at least from one test provider...and I have to assume that others have a similar protocol. The exam questions are "graded" (by the providers)to determine which are "too easy" and which are "too difficult; from this, adjustments are made to the tests.

I seriously doubt whether anyone (including HHH) has "THE TEST" with all of the answers. Practice exam questions, and answers, have been around for years and I doubt if what we're discussing here is anything earth-shaking.

My bold.

The old tests had multiple tests composed from a master list of questions with the answers for same. The new tests are the same except the questions are more difficult requiring more complete knowledge and capability. However, once the questions are known, the drill test can be constructed to condition a response by rote.

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[The Warrior Monk]

You haven't been watching the Pass/Fail rates for the exams, have you?

That's what is truly frightening!

IMHO, the proprietary schools have dumbed down the education, and the results show up in the test scores. There is simply no excuse for a 50% (or more) failure rate.

I took my initial courses from AIREA, SREA, and the NAIFA. The state test was, by far, the easiest test I took. All of my peers following that route passed on the first attempt.

 

[TC]

I took my initial courses from AIREA, SREA, and the NAIFA. The state test was, by far, the easiest test I took. All of my peers following that route passed on the first attempt.

Likewise. After taking the AI classes that were always tested, the State Exam was a walk in the park.

 

[jlabauve]

Likewise. After taking the AI classes that were always tested, the State Exam was a walk in the park.

I second that. AI and NAIFA classes teach theory and concepts which enable the appraiser to have a deeper understanding of the methodology and reasoning behind "filling out the form." The deeper understanding is what is truly important. Just knowing the correct answers to the test questions is what gets us where we are today, with people filling out forms to meet a lender's arbitrary requirements, and appraising to artificial "guidelines".

The sad thing is that the majority of users of residential appraisals only want form fillers.

 

[Lee Lansford]

My bold.

The old tests had multiple tests composed from a master list of questions with the answers for same. The new tests are the same except the questions are more difficult requiring more complete knowledge and capability. However, once the questions are known, the drill test can be constructed to condition a response by rote.

Have you heard of Compucram?



Question: How can CompuCram® make a 100% money back guarantee that anyone will pass the first time? Might they have the questions and answers to the test? You drill, 30 minutes a day taking test after test. Like a rat going through a maze a number of times, the rat learns all the turns rotely and completes the maze without a mistake. m2:

I have to conclude that MANY of the wanna-be appraisers who are failing the exam on their first attempt haven't availed themselves of "CompuCram" and other similar services.