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Where Do You Think "geographic Competency" Begins And Ends?

I am capable of *competently* completing an appraisal assignment on a "typical" SFR even if

  • I've worked in the community before but have never worked in this particular neighborhood

    Votes: 30 52.6%
  • If I've worked in this County before but have never worked in this community

    Votes: 29 50.9%
  • If I've worked in this region before but never in this County

    Votes: 21 36.8%
  • If I've worked in this state before but never in this region

    Votes: 12 21.1%
  • I am capable of figuring out a typical SFR property almost regardless of where it is.

    Votes: 35 61.4%

  • Total voters
    57
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So my preceding was a prelude to this one:

What do you think is going to happen when some title company figures out they can train someone off the street to go perform detailed physical inspections on the properties they are offering a title policy on, and they're handing that inspection to an appraiser they have hired to work out of their branch office?

If all one of these inspectors did was inspect, measure and photograph properties, how many of those could they complete in a day? If all their appraiser did was perform valuations and write reports - no phone calls for inspections, no working around some borrower's schedule, no transit to/from the neighborhood, no driving comps - no time spent on work that doesn't require our technical expertise as appraisers. How productive could that appraiser be?

If the company ran 2 or 3 inspectors to keep an appraiser busy how many of THOSE assignments could that appraiser complete in a week? Add in the economy of scale that justifies full exploitation of the technology, various databases, valuation tools and most importantly the uniformity of using the same people to do all the property inspection and ratings (on the inspection side) that is *completely* independent of the usage of that data by the appraiser on the valuation side.

I did the math for my county and figured out that if a title company or the MLS operator split the metro my county (everything west of the unincorporated areas of Valley Center, Ramona and Alpine) into maybe 6 regions and assigned a property inspector to each those individuals could divide their region into smaller chunks they could navigate in a single day. Then they could inspect/rate these properties from the exterior during the first week they were listed - and if/when they sold that data would be recent and ready to go without a whole lot of wasted effort - by a licensed appraiser - that the Zaio program had.

Meaning, the appraiser using a subject or comparable description has no say in its description and ratings - all they can do is incorporate that information into their analysis and use it. They can't "adjust" it to fit this particular assignment, they can't hide it's omission from the system if they choose to ignore it, and they're not in contact with anyone in the transaction except if they're personally verifying the details of a sale transaction. Everyone using that data is using the same data that has been rated by the same people who rated all the other data in their analysis. Regardless of the actual accuracy of any one datapoint it has the same effect on everyone who uses it.

Mu point is that the ramifications on the prior business models of what technology is increasingly enabling appraisers and their users to do almost cannot be overstated.
 
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Why would they not just use assessor data? It is free, much of it online (if you do not count the taxpayers paying for it). How can they beat "free"?
 
Because data that has been recently rated by a 3rd party under a uniform protocol is more useful than raw data.

You spend a large percentage of your time in every appraisal assignment on the tasks of physically driving to and qualifying both your subject and comparables data.
 
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Yes, I do. What I learn doing those things informs my body of knowledge about my market.

Situational awareness vs. machinelike efficiency ;-D
 
If AMC's fees are a portion of the total appraisal fee, how is it advantageous to them to go to lower paying hybrid products? The idea is antithetical and defies logic.

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The AMC share of the fee is greater on these assignment and is higher margin business. The fee is less because the inspector and appraiser fee is less. Not the AMC portion of the fee. Smaller AMC's are also possibly less competitive and it is not a product likely to be offered by in house panel management. Results in larger market share for large players. The big thing will be if GSE loans can accept them or not IMO.
 
The big thing will be if GSE loans can accept them or not IMO.

And nothing has changed in appraisal regulations to allow runners, that previously weren't allowed.

Playing with fire, simple to line the pockets of others. Ridiculous.

Maybe it'll be like pot,

Sorry we sent you to jail for pot that we now decided is legal. We'll just erase those years of your life you spent in jail, like it didn't even happen.

Expunged, all good.

Maybe California will restore the appraisers that lost their licenses for using runners too.

Ooops sorry, we didn't parse the language closely enough a few years ago. Here you are, you can go back to being an appraiser, oh, and if you paid any fines, we'll give that money back with interest, how silly of us.

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And nothing has changed in appraisal regulations to allow runners, that previously weren't allowed.

Playing with fire, simple to line the pockets of others. Ridiculous.

Maybe it'll be like pot,

Sorry we sent you to jail for pot that we now decided is legal. We'll just erase those years of your life you spent in jail, like it didn't even happen.

Expunged, all good.

Maybe California will restore the appraisers that lost their licenses for using runners too.

Ooops sorry, we didn't parse the language closely enough a few years ago. Here you are, you can go back to being an appraiser, oh, and if you paid any fines, we'll give that money back with interest, how silly of us.

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Nothing changed yet but could. A lot of pressure for speed.
 
Because data that has been recently rated by a 3rd party under a uniform protocol is more useful than raw data.

You spend a large percentage of your time in every appraisal assignment on the tasks of physically driving to and qualifying both your subject and comparables data.


Have you noticed the push is to eliminate commercial appraisals? Seriously.

You not working fast enough? Lol

White collar crime is real. You need to wake up.
 
Have you noticed the push is to eliminate commercial appraisals? Seriously.

You not working fast enough? Lol

White collar crime is real. You need to wake up.

He doesn't care. He says he has five years or so left.
 
Whatever, GH, your pushing me to be nasty. You ain’t right. You can stab me and the profession all you want. I’m here.

Have you talked to the TN appraiser coalition.

They would give you sound advice.
 
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