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Will you prepare the 1004desktop?

Will you prepare the 1004desktop.

  • No, not ever. I will decline any orders.

    Votes: 29 82.9%
  • Yes. Just another assignment.

    Votes: 6 17.1%

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the question is too vague. it should also say 'for the same price as a full 1004' or 'a much lower price than a full 1004.'
the price is always the factor in the acceptance of doing something.
yea i know, appraisers do low price AMC work. i am more curious as to whether opinion will change with pay.
That is up to every appraiser. I will NOT prepare these reports and rely on third parties for information. This is a bad plan and will lead to many foreclosures just like back in 2008-2011. They were making equity loans on tax values and drive-bys. I feel it is unprofessional to prepare these reports that not in any way credible. To each his own but I have no interest in signing my name to such a report.
 
but a reviewer is going to be concerned with did appraiser know area if the value looks inflated /too "high".
Not for me... the first thing I think of (and will continue to do so) is WHY the appraisal is inflated. Incompetence and/or bias would most likely continue to be my 1st concern even after the alternative SOW orders are initiated.
 
This is a bad plan and will lead to many foreclosures just like back in 2008-2011.
It remains to be seen how credibility will be affected (if it's even affected at all). But, it will not be just like back in 2008-2011 if there are foreclosures as a result of some market correction. The combination of additional data/technology in the review of the appraisals, as well as the MUCH more conservative approach to loan programs now, will have a significant impact on the nature of the foreclosures - IMO. AND - if the appraisals were of such high quality before the crash - you know, because they were all 'full interior inspection' SOW, it appears those high quality appraisals did little to stop the crash.
 
just what a thought. roll over rover let the 25 dollar hybrid take over. :giggle:
 
It remains to be seen how credibility will be affected (if it's even affected at all). But, it will not be just like back in 2008-2011 if there are foreclosures as a result of some market correction. The combination of additional data/technology in the review of the appraisals, as well as the MUCH more conservative approach to loan programs now, will have a significant impact on the nature of the foreclosures - IMO. AND - if the appraisals were of such high quality before the crash - you know, because they were all 'full interior inspection' SOW, it appears those high quality appraisals did little to stop the crash.
That is a false argument, the reason appraisals ( as a whole ) did little to stop the crash , was because loan officers/mortgage brokers could select the appraiser. THAT, and the fact they could appraiser shop, value shop an order through comp checks ( remember those ), and RE agents could and did dictate which appraisers to use or not use.

There were plenty of good, competent appraisers who were sidelined during the market frenzy, not used because OMG they might appraise at MV and 'kill" a deal. And if an appraisal came in "lose", a loan officer could throw it away and order another one. Remember that? Why aren't you identifying that as the problem, rather than this straw argument well interior inspections did not help appraisals wrt preventing the crash. The corruption was to blame, but wrt inspections, the problem might have been worse without them - at least having made the interior inspection made those appraisers responsible for their work, and able to be sanctioned later for their reports.

Many of us warned pre crash about allowing mortgage lenders control over selection signed a petition, so lenders, the FF agencies and regulators knew about the problem. Which shows me, along with the subsequent post crash corruption they let seep into compromising a viable solution, and the farce of the AMC system supposed to fix things, shows that agencies, regulators, or majority of lender interests wrt their power to make valuation and appraisal decisions and polices are not trust worthy.
 
ever hear of no doc loans. they didn't have a job, or assets, so they could never pay it back. march on.
 
That is a false argument, the reason appraisals ( as a whole ) did little to stop the crash , was because loan officers/mortgage brokers could select the appraiser. THAT, and the fact they could appraiser shop, value shop an order through comp checks ( remember those ), and RE agents could and did dictate which appraisers to use or not use.

There were plenty of good, competent appraisers who were sidelined during the market frenzy, not used because OMG they might appraise at MV and 'kill" a deal. (what the lenders called a conservative appraiser, remember the terms conservative appraiser and aggressive appraiser?

The appraisals that fueled the crash had nothing to do with interior inspections - the corrupt selection process would have been the same, or worse, regardless of inspections. At least having made the interrior inspection made those appraisers liable for the value and able to be sanctioned later for their reports.

Many of us warned pre crash about allowing mortgage lenders control over selection signed a petition, so lenders, the FF agencies and regulators knew about the problem. Which shows me, along with the subsequent post crash corruption they let seep into compromising a viable solution, and the farce of the AMC system supposed to fix things, shows that agencies, regulators, or majority of lender interests wrt their power to make valuation and appraisal decisions and polices are not trust worthy.
Wait.... are you saying that, before the crash, ours was an industry of advocates, not disinterested third parties? And that, somehow, we've cleaned all that nonsense up - no longer do we produce inflated reports 'as an industry'. Yet now - even though we've gotten rid of all those bad apples, the appraisals will lack credibility because of the alternative SOW? Tell me, J - if our services can't be relied on in either situation, what are we actually accomplishing?
 
Wait.... are you saying that, before the crash, ours was an industry of advocates, not disinterested third parties? And that, somehow, we've cleaned all that nonsense up - no longer do we produce inflated reports 'as an industry'. Yet now - even though we've gotten rid of all those bad apples, the appraisals will lack credibility because of the alternative SOW? Tell me, J - if our services can't be relied on in either situation, what are we actually accomplishing?
Stop twisting around what I Said.

The services of honest appraisers who are not number hitters could always be relied on - the problem pre crash is that allowing mortgage brokers/loan officers, and RE agents to pick the appraiser meant the honest appraisers did far less lender work than the number hitters did during that time . Do you understand that , or not ?

Problem is we have not gotten rid of all those bad apples . It never happened, only a small number of appraisers lost their licenses after the crash. There were some corrections put into place post crash but lots of holes in them and a conflict of interest wrt AMC system exists.

A minority, idk of what percent of appraisers, do inflated values - a lower percent than pre crash but any amount is too much - but allowing it to go on is deliberate, agencies and lender interests voted down the round robin system such as old FHA or VA, which is the better solution wrt appraiser independence and they neutered any other meaningful protections of it.

Appraisal waivers, strangely enough, do exactly what the bad appraisal actors pre crash (or now ) for that matter do - make the SC price the amount loaned on for LTVM or the refinance target valu estimate a loan officer gives. The only stop gap on it is as long as the SC price or loan officer value falls within a range of value from Fannie/freddie proprietary AVM. Nobody outside their closed system knows how wide that value range is, or how good the AVM is .

How many high SC priced got green lighted with waivers, that started the ball rolling with price increases ? We will never know. They will never tell us. They will never do a study to find out, an dif they do, would not release it. Fannie and freddie design studies to result in what they want, can tweak any parameters of the study they want, and only make public those results they want. So who can argue with it ? Nobody can. They put forth a false measure about appraisals and valuations based on default risk, but appraisals are not done for default risk purpose, they are done for a MV opinion purpose for the front end decisions about a loan. .

By using a false measure for appraisals, default risk, they are able to say things like this or that showed no increase in risk or sliver of less risk. Idk, is the fact that these enterprises needed bailouts a clue to how competent they are at assessing risk? Just saying.
 
Stop twisting around what I Said.

The services of honest appraisers who are not number hitters could always be relied on - the problem pre crash is that allowing mortgage brokers/loan officers, and RE agents to pick the appraiser meant the honest appraisers did far less lender work than the number hitters did during that time . Do you understand that , or not ?

Problem is we have not gotten rid of all those bad apples . It never happened, only a small number of appraisers lost their licenses after the crash. There were some corrections put into place post crash but lots of holes in them and a conflict of interest wrt AMC system exists.

A minority, idk of what percent of appraisers, do inflated values - a lower percent than pre crash but any amount is too much - but allowing it to go on is deliberate, agencies and lender interests voted down the round robin system such as old FHA or VA, which is the better solution wrt appraiser independence and they neutered any other meaningful protections of it.

Appraisal waivers, strangely enough, do exactly what the bad appraisal actors pre crash (or now ) for that matter do - make the SC price the amount loaned on for LTVM or the refinance target valu estimate a loan officer gives. The only stop gap on it is as long as the SC price or loan officer value falls within a range of value from Fannie/freddie proprietary AVM. Nobody outside their closed system knows how wide that value range is, or how good the AVM is .

How many high SC priced got green lighted with waivers, that started the ball rolling with price increases ? We will never know. They will never tell us. They will never do a study to find out, an dif they do, would not release it. Fannie and freddie design studies to result in what they want, can tweak any parameters of the study they want, and only make public those results they want. So who can argue with it ? Nobody can. They put forth a false measure about appraisals and valuations based on default risk, but appraisals are not done for default risk purpose, they are done for a MV opinion purpose for the front end decisions about a loan. .

By using a false measure for appraisals, default risk, they are able to say things like this or that showed no increase in risk or sliver of less risk. Idk, is the fact that these enterprises needed bailouts a clue to how competent they are at assessing risk? Just saying.
I wish I had your vivid imagination, J.
 
TBH, I don't recall condition being among the reasons for most of the bad appraisals I've seen. As long as the pics you're looking at actually are of the subject property and not some other property that's in significantly superior condition then I don't think the risks of significant loss to a lender are that high if the property is actually in C3.7 condition instead of C3.0 condition. I mean, what's the cost to cure between the two? Not usually that much.

If you're worried about the person taking those pics engaging in deceptive behavior, what's your experience with that among the properties you've appraised vs their listing pics? It can happen, but it isn't common by any means.
 
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