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Zaio: Everybody buckle your seat belts

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Ken,

Are you having fun yet?
But over the month of January, you jumped in quickly over your very real article that I felt REALLY hit the nail. NEEDED A LOT MORE PROOF. I guess that is why all these real estate seminars make millions over people coming to seminars. How many timeshares have you purchased? (just kidding).

So hopefully you can see why I keep asking WHAT MADE YOU DO IT!

Hello Mr. Driscoll. No, I'm not having fun. I'm already on Scott's list of grandstanders, hogging the spotlight. That's definitely not my style or preference. And it's affecting my golf game. But I will slog through, because I said I would.

As in the past, I'll try to address each of your questions. I'm not as adept as you are with the multi quotes and cute icons...I really envy that...expecially the spell check feature which wants me to download yet another version of a spell checker....I digress... but bear with me....

Regarding the photographer cadre and their competing for an Appraiser Trainee position at the end of the photo data gathering phase. It is not a part of my contract. We haven't begun that process yet...l imagine another 6-8 weeks...However, in our business plan we expect to have some positions available, and we do think that getting to know and observe the photo cadre over that initial phase will allow us to screen for the best candidates very effectively. The way the photo phase works, We'll actually be doing the interviewing and selecting of the cadre on behalf of Zaio. I can assure you that we will be laying out the job and the future prospects very clearly and accurately....that's the way we do business.

Regarding the commercial aspects. You betcha. Commercial is a target. That's on the Zaio web site, as are most of the questions I get here. They've announced a few months ago a partnership with a commercial data base firm...don't remember the details. I'll get up to speed on that when I'm able to...I just am satisfied that it is on both our agendas right now.

I can see from the the tone of your post that you are not a conspiracy theorist, and that you have an skeptical but open mind. I like all of that. That means you and I have a chance to learn from each other, as well as the lurkers here who are my REAL audience.

No, Tom Inserra didn't send me here. I came because of disparaging and untrue remarks and insinuations directed at me and my company. My reputation is all I have, and I won't let it be tarnished by untruths. It's tarnished enough by my own failings. Don't need any spurious help there....

In fact, I wrote an email to Mr. Inserra last evening saying in effect, "I'm there, I'm addressing issues from my personal and company's perspectve, and I will continue as long (not very long I assume) as folks address me directly....if you see that I say something that is not correct from a Zaio perspective either tell me and I'll post a retraction, or reprimand me directly on that forum yourself." I received and email from Mr. Inserra this morning that in effect said "will do...".

I said at my first post that I'm a prospective zone owner. I've signed a contract, delivered a cashiers check (I like cashiers checks) with my considerable earnest money, and am waiting approval of my financing proposals from local banks. Until that comes, I'm just a prospective owner, but darn serious I assure you.

Regarding the detail you see as missing. What pray tell? I have attempted to answer the questions directly and frankly. I'm really know for being straight, blunt, and capable of communicating through the written word that bluntness. Do I have lots of detail that we developed through the due diligence process? Of course! That's what we based our decision upon. Have I shared that here? Of course not! That would be irresponsible in my view.

Our analysis and business models, detailed as they are (and I assure you they are very detailed) have only been shared with other zone owners who are more advanced than we are (we asked them for feedback) and with two folks that we know in other markets who were interested in the opportunity and who asked us to provide our analysis to them.

Why not share that with the world? Because I wouldn't want the receivers to take our analysis, built based on our particular market with our particular management team as a model they could duplicate in their situations. Don't want to hurt anyone.

However, for the conspiracy theorists out there, the same deal as before. Two $1,000 cashiers checks delivered to a reputable business person or minister......

As to the A to Z sharing from Zaio...yep, that's available to anyone who wants to take the time to step through the process that anyone can undertake.

As to the absence of idiots like myself advertising their decision, and are they really, really any.....This I can offer. I've spoken to several myself in our due diligence. There is a private forum for Zone Owners. I've talked to some there.

My team is meeting in Phoenix today with five other new zone owners from five different states (two from that Northeast waste land that someone mentioned yesterday.) The purpose of that training session is to teach these folks the steps necessary to initiate, manage, and complete the massive photo project for each of the major markets they represent.

One of my team is spending the day today with Mr. Inserra's Mesa office, observing first hand the operation.

Those are my team's first hand, up close and personal contacts.

Since you are not a conspiracy theorist, you can calculate the "legions" who have ponied up simply by reviewing the financial statements and announcements Zaio has made. Those public facts are monitored by the SECs of the world. Get them wrong or mislead, and you go to jail. See Houston's Enron.... The cash and income numbers they report will tell you the size of the "legion". Zaio can't book the income without the cash. Similar to my situation: if my financing is approved a Cashiers Check (there it is again!) will be delivered to Zaio for the full amount, no strings attached. I will be on the hook to the bank, Zaio will be on the hook to me.

Why haven't you heard from others? Good question. I'll speculate a little...Busy with their business? Not particularily interested in helping others? Not seeing the benefit of being labled as *****s, scum, law breakers, members of brothelhoods? Might be other reasons, but I can see all of those as being possible.

Let's see...what's next...Oh! Nope, Zaio never told me how rich I'll be. They'd better not be telling that to any other prospect. And they aren't. It would be in violation of some SEC regs regarding new offerings. But maybe you meant that in jest.....

Now, we are in the stretch drive! What got me hooked on Zaio?

You quote extensively from that great appraisal blog Appraisal Scoop, a column I did several months ago. Gosh I envy that skill here! Wish I could do that! I can't even figure out how to plug Appraisal
Scoop by inserting a link when I mention it...maybe you could do so in a reply?

All those quotes are accurate including those sent in response by Mr. Inserra. I've responded to the base numbers part to another member here, in that I agreed with his numbers on the first cut, the stuff that Zaio is presenting in their web site...heck I think he used the same numbers I did....

No they didn't cut the mustard with me. Didn't then, wouldn't now. Might make it for some folks, but not for Acorn's particular situation.

What changed you ask? (And you say you asked before, several pages back..I didn't see that question directed at me...sorry if I missed it...but if you posed that question before I made an appearance here, it likely wasn't directed to me.)

The answer is; a lot. Mr. Inserra's reponse to that blog column extended an invitation to learn more, by attending the webinar they offer to anyone. We did. He also introduced me to other Zaio Execs to initiate other communication lines to address other questions. We took advantage of those also.

My original intent was to give Zaio the benefit of the further research and complete a follow up column with the new information...all in the interest of being fair...one of the base tenants of Appraisal Scoop. I'm still scheduled to do that final column...and will in time.

As we learned more, I remember remarking to the Zaio Execs (I generally copied them all as well as all of my team on the email exchanges)...I remember expressing my frustration with what I was learning that I felt I should have learned when I first visited their web site (which was the base for my column.) It was like a rose opening....each new petal that unfolded made the picture clearer until eventually the whole was observed.

Their response was something like "Gosh, I guess that's true...we'll try to make that point clearer and sooner...."

That's what changed my mind. Our due diligence, looking at the Zaio Concept in our specific market with our specific management team and our specific position within our market caused us to conclude we had an opportunity to do something significant; for our company, for our market, and for our profession.

You want numbers? Not gonna get them from me. That would be irresponsible as I explained. Your situation is different than mine, different than the "legions" that have made the decision.

But at least it might be worth your time to look at the opportunity and make your own decision, just as we did.
 
Psychobabble at it's best. You can get away with it in the other forums, by using same ole lines with others, but good luck here. Enjoy your golfgame.
 
Al

Thanks.. It is so true.

Of course, our County GIS system has a photo of every house from the street as does the MLS. So I too could compete with a very similar model and not pay $ to anyone.... So I just made $9000 that I can invest into something long term and my maintenance costs are ???? Heck, I can send out my nephew to take photos...

OK!! I have a new plan!

Gee Mr. Driscoll. I hope I haven't wasted a hour or more responding to your post under the assumption that you weren't a close minded conspiracy theorist and that you really were interested in the questions you posed and my answers to them....Oh well, doesn't matter...the lurkers are who we both are really addressing.....:sad:

Hey! I think I've learned the icons here! Gotta go to work now so that I can play golf this afternoon....
 
Of course, our County GIS system has a photo of every house from the street as does the MLS. So I too could compete with a very similar model and not pay $ to anyone.... So I just made $9000 that I can invest into something long term and my maintenance costs are ???? Heck, I can send out my nephew to take photos...

OK!! I have a new plan!


I feel the same way, my county recently re-assessed every property and the database is fairly accurate. Why would anyone pay 8K when they can get the info on-line for free? And if the Zaio model proves profitable, I'm sure others like Bill Gates, Google, and Wal-Mart will jump on board.

Think I'll take that 8K and buy some investment property.

TC
 
Good lord, was that a testimonial or an autobiography? One thing is certain; brevity is not one of their strengths.
 
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If you don't agree (get into the 'lockstep') you are a conspiracy theorist?

Sorry, but I just keep picturing the zaoists in a sty applying make-up to the occupants and trying to call them gazelles.
 
Mr. Verrett,

The more attempts made at answering questions, the murkier things become. I suspect that is the reason Mr. Inserra is no longer responding or posting here.

I believe you responded to Andrew P. earlier that you have no idea why the "trainees" are sent out to photograph the zone, since the zone appraiser will later replicate the process. Your latest post indicates that you will even be point man for Zaio on the photography of your zone, even though it is not "part of your contract".

You continually say you are a "prospective" zone buyer, yet you are sending a "team" to Phoenix for training. Doesn't make sense to me. BTW, I am assembling my team to do a preliminary feasibility study of my pending potential announcement regarding my consideration for nomination of the Presidency of the United States, if you get my drift.

I mentioned the slow Northwest U.S. rollout, which you keep referring to as Northeast?, and NOW they are in Phoenix getting trained on the photography portion. I thought that was completed and they are selling ZAIO reports by the bushel?

So the esteemed and knowledgeable ZAIO businessmen did not know that you need to put your best foot forward when selling a concept? They thought it best to hide the good stuff and make potential investors dig it out? Again, doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Ken

Thanks for your responses. Though I hated to see your follow up.

Interesting ZAIO is actively going after Commercial... Is the AI involved with that? This seems to becoming a real complete database. Will be interesting to see.

Man you have a lot a free time!! Golf in the afternoons. I need to work for you! I want to play golf!

That's what changed my mind. Our due diligence, looking at the Zaio Concept in our specific market with our specific management team and our specific position within our market caused us to conclude we had an opportunity to do something significant; for our company, for our market, and for our profession.

Can you ellaborate more on this? Not seeing where this helps the profession.
 
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Tough crowd!

Of course, I can remember siding with posters being tough with Pam's ideas regarding a "when something just isn't right" database of potentially fishy deals. Some of the attackers were over the top, in spite of the fact Pam is well liked (especially, for a moderator:)).

Ken comes in here with no established support group. It must be like marching into hell, taking him at his word, that he is merely here to defend his reputation.

I have enjoyed posting my actual views on appraisal topics (which are in sympathy with appraisers, by and large) and have been accused of wearing my LO hat. Now I recognize I was actually getting fairly light treatment.:rof:

Of course Ken is hiding his ace or possible flush draw. Is he a stealth paid commentator?:shrug: Armstrong Williams got $241,000 to boost the No Child Left Behind law. He believed in it. The scandal was he didn't disclose that he was being paid. I wonder if Jesse Jackson discloses who pays him??

Of course, skepticism should be in the back of our minds, even as we listen and extend our courtesy. Trust, but verify. Makes sense. We're only missing the courtesy part now and then!

So far, I think he is rolling the dice, being candid in the hopes of demonstrating his sincerity of purpose. And I'm jealous. How come no one has accused me of being a paid pawn of the MB industry? I'm worth the $$. Really, I am:icon_frown:
 
Ken,

Have you figured out how you're going to get the correct (specific) zoning for each and every one of your pre-appraisals, yet? How about the Highest and Best Use analyses that are required in each one of your assignments? Mixed use neighborhoods are going to be tough.

The reason I'm asking is because when I put those questions to Mr. Inserra, his response to me was to the effect of "why would you hold Zaio to a higher standard than other appraisers ?" Needless to say I did find that comment to be indicative of a (distressing) misperception on his part as to what standards appraisers are held.
 
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