Virgina REAB and Portal Petition

[Don Clark]

Well, let's just examine this issue. Like most USPAP dilemmas, one should start by looking at the basics - the definitions.

There was no client. No one engaged me to create those documents.

Hence, there was no assignment. As defined in USPAP, and assignment requires an appraiser, a valuation service, and a client. Two of three ain't bad, but there was no client. As disclosed in the posted documents, the client is fictional.

Since there is no assignment, there can be no assignment results.

The documents posted are reports as defined by Webster, but they are not appraisal reports as defined in USPAP. A report is something that is transmitted to a client. No client, no transmission to a client, no report. Since there is no report, there cannot be a misleading report.

Was there an intended user or users? If so, I would argue that a report prepared by an appraiser would need to be USPAP compliant. Unless of course you can show me where there has been a determination by TAF or the ASB that a client is needed when you voluntarily produce a report for demonstration purposes. Many states allow demo reports for one to earn credit toward experience. Wh or whom is the client in that case? No one has ordered an appraisal report in that case, and yet many states accept them for experience.

 

[Rich Heyn]

Ditto,

Please take a step back, grab a beer and gather your thoughts. There is a lot of experience and knowledge in the room and I am very interested in hearing this debate progress however as Mr Rex has said it has wandered off in an undesireable direction.

Please proceed

I agree, Fredrick. I'd hate to see this shut down because some can't stay on track. The issue of whether a sample report that is clearly labeled as such must be USPAP compliant seems to me to be clearly off topic. Would you agree?

 

[Mr Rex]

Rich, I am not a moderator so my opinion means nothing. But I have seen some mighty low blows thrown by some mighty highly respected folks in the past few pages of this thread. I am not naming names, folks just need to cool off and read their own posts, juxtaposed as they are in cyberspace. And I realize that I am the last one that should cast stones, but this is ridiculous, as are the arguments ON BOTH SIDES.

 

[Rich Heyn]

Was there an intended user or users? If so, I would argue that a report prepared by an appraiser would need to be USPAP compliant. Unless of course you can show me where there has been a determination by TAF or the ASB that a client is needed when you voluntarily produce a report for demonstration purposes. Many states allow demo reports for one to earn credit toward experience. Wh or whom is the client in that case? No one has ordered an appraisal report in that case, and yet many states accept them for experience.

Hi Don,

In the interests of keeping this track focused on the original topic, perhaps one of us should start a new thread on sample reports and USPAP compliance.

Dinner calls, so it won't be me tonight. Perhaps tomorrow.

 

[Rich Heyn]

Rich, I am not a moderator so my opinion means nothing. But I have seen some mighty low blows thrown by some mighty highly respected folks in the past few pages of this thread. I am not naming names, folks just need to cool off and read their own posts, juxtaposed as they are in cyberspace. And I realize that I am the last one that should cast stones, but this is ridiculous, as are the arguments ON BOTH SIDES.

Thanks, Rex, but I was just asking whether you were including me in the "you guys." A simple yes or no will do, although if you are including me, I'd appreciate it if you could point out any "low blows" on my part.

 

[Willie]

Is it just me or is the residential appraisal area just a really shytty business almost any which way you look?

 

[DWiley]

Many states allow demo reports for one to earn credit toward experience. Wh or whom is the client in that case? No one has ordered an appraisal report in that case, and yet many states accept them for experience.

Good questions Mr. Clark. We discussed these with the AQB while I was on the ASB. The AQB guidenote explains that there must be client to have an assignement, and a client must receive something in order for that something to be a report. The AQB addressed this by saying that an educational entity could engage the appraiser as a learning exercise - hence there is a client.

An intended user is someone the appraiser intends to use the report. Since there is no client, no assignment and no report, there is no intended user.

 

[woodyva]

Rich, I am not a moderator so my opinion means nothing. But I have seen some mighty low blows thrown by some mighty highly respected folks in the past few pages of this thread. I am not naming names, folks just need to cool off and read their own posts, juxtaposed as they are in cyberspace. And I realize that I am the last one that should cast stones, but this is ridiculous, as are the arguments ON BOTH SIDES.

Guys I have to disagree with you. These are all parts of a major point in this issue. USPAP compliance is a concern, so is the credibilty of those that are pulling at both sides. I am a relatively small part of this, and since these fellows are heavyweights, let them go. The rest of us will only learn something.
No one is threatening to hurt one another, and no one that I can see is picking for the sake of it expect a certain sunshine state appraiser.

Besides we are all adults.

 

[Ken B]

Rich, I am not a moderator so my opinion means nothing. But I have seen some mighty low blows thrown by some mighty highly respected folks in the past few pages of this thread. I am not naming names, folks just need to cool off and read their own posts, juxtaposed as they are in cyberspace. And I realize that I am the last one that should cast stones, but this is ridiculous, as are the arguments ON BOTH SIDES.

This is not intended to be a "low blow", but rather an honest assessment of the situation. The McCarthy-like tactics exhibited by some folks should create great concern in any reader who was undecided about the Dodd/Crowley IVPI concept.

 

[Workbox]

I've been communicating with Texas appraiser about the overall state of the RE crisis and to become active with the boards and when we begin to talk about the conversion programs, many did not realize how and still it works/converts. They were just told to use it or no more worky, worky. That makes one loose initiative. Plus since many believe that no one has their back, they just do what they have to do to pay the bills and feed their family, thinking that no one cares.

There are many lurkers here that rather keep silent and are scared because of accustom threats. They have been beaten as the slaves were in the plantation. Then there are those that are standing up and telling other appraiser to become aware and that they are not alone. Those that we have relied on to keep the Faith have failed and yes that includes us appraisers. But a plantation mentality has been set up under our noses and now we must remove it.