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Louisiana Is Getting Ready To Settle With The Ftc Whether The La. Board Likes It Or Not

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No such post exists.

The post says that an AMC only qualifies to be "presumed" to pay C&R so long as they don't do those things each presumption says they can't do.

'Cause if they do those things, they don't qualify for a presumption.

It has nothing to do with guilty or innocent.
it has to do with qualifying to be "presumed" to comply.

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Too many like to skip over those "qualifier" parts.


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You totally missed my point. My point is that if an AMC or lender was accused of violating C and R laws, it woudl be up to the accuser to prove guilt. That is how it works in the US. But some seem to think that it is the accused who would have to prove innocence.

If you go to traffic court to defend an accusation of speeding, you do not have to prove you were not seeding. Rather, the accuser would have to prove that you were.

If you went to trial because a malicious homeowner accused you of stealing something from their home, you would not have to prove you were innocent -rather, the homeowner wodul have to prove you were guilty.

The same principle applies to the C&R laws, regardless of anyone's personal feelings about the laws themselves or the affected parties. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff, and defendants are presumed innocent until proven otherwise, and that presumption is not restricted to C&R. :)
 
You totally missed my point. My point is that if an AMC or lender was accused of violating C and R laws, it woudl be up to the accuser to prove guilt. That is how it works in the US. But some seem to think that it is the accused who would have to prove innocence.

If you go to traffic court to defend an accusation of speeding, you do not have to prove you were not seeding. Rather, the accuser would have to prove that you were.

If you went to trial because a malicious homeowner accused you of stealing something from their home, you would not have to prove you were innocent -rather, the homeowner wodul have to prove you were guilty.

The same principle applies to the C&R laws, regardless of anyone's personal feelings about the laws themselves or the affected parties. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff, and defendants are presumed innocent until proven otherwise, and that presumption is not restricted to C&R. :)

Selective Reading Danny?

No where does it say an AMC is presumed to meet the qualifications required to presume C&R has been paid.

12 CFR 226.42
(2)Presumption of compliance. A creditor and its agents shall be presumed to comply with paragraph (f)(1) if -

(ii) The creditor and its agents do not engage in any anticompetitive acts in violation of state or federal law that affect the compensation paid to fee appraisers, including -

(A) Entering into any contracts or engaging in any conspiracies to restrain trade through methods such as price fixing or market allocation, as prohibited under section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. 1, or any other relevant antitrust laws; or

(B) Engaging in any acts of monopolization such as restricting any person from entering the relevant geographic market or causing any person to leave the relevant geographic market, as prohibited under section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. 2, or any other relevant antitrust laws.


and

(3)Alternative presumption of compliance. A creditor and its agents shall be presumed to comply with paragraph (f)(1) if the creditor or its agents determine the amount of compensation paid to the fee appraiser by relying on information about rates that:

(i) Is based on objective third-party information, including fee schedules, studies, and surveys prepared by independent third parties such as government agencies, academic institutions, and private research firms;

(ii) Is based on recent rates paid to a representative sample of providers of appraisal services in the geographic market of the property being appraised or the fee schedules of those providers; and

(iii) In the case of information based on fee schedules, studies, and surveys, such fee schedules, studies, or surveys, or the information derived therefrom, excludes compensation paid to fee appraisers for appraisals ordered by appraisal management companies, as defined in paragraph (f)(4)(iii) of this section.


AMCs don't just get to lay claim that they comply with Presumption anything.

First they have to show that either they did not do the things in 12CFR226.42 (2)(ii), (A) and (B), or they can qualify for a presumption of having paid C&R under (3), so long as they additionally follow (i),(II) and (iii)

Not bounce around saying, we're paying recent rates under presumption 1, because everyone is suppposed to presume we're not engaging in any
conspiracies to restrain trade through methods such as price fixing or market allocation, as prohibited under section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. 1, or any other relevant antitrust laws; or, Engaging in any acts of monopolization such as restricting any person from entering the relevant geographic market or causing any person to leave the relevant geographic market, as prohibited under section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, 15 U.S.C. 2, or any other relevant antitrust laws.

See those Presumptions were never written as freedom of choice to comply with one or the other or not. They have mandated qualifiers which must be followed, - as they are not choices.

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No where does it say an AMC is presumed to meet the qualifications required to presume C&R has been paid.


Again, you are totally missing the point. I am not speaking of C&R law, I am speaking of the basic principles of justice in the United States - the presumption of innocence.

If an appraiser stands before a state board, the appraiser does not have to prove that he/she is innocent. Rather, the Board has to prove guilt. In a C&R case, just as in any other case, the burden of proof woudl be on the plaintiff, not the defendant. Or, that is how it is supposed to work.
 
Read it again Danny, because now you brilliant idiots will argue with the State's District Attorney to pretend all those other words don't exist.


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And we paid appraiser Jimmy an extra $10 'cause he has an Associate’s Degree,
And we paid appraiser Sara an extra $20 'cause she has a Bachelor's Degree,
And we paid appraiser Buddy an extra $50 'cause he has a Master's Degree.


Yup,

Try and convince the State's attorney's all those other words you don't like don't exist.


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No where does it say an AMC is presumed to meet the qualifications required to presume C&R has been paid.


Again, you are totally missing the point. I am not speaking of C&R law, I am speaking of the basic principles of justice in the United States - the presumption of innocence.

If an appraiser stands before a state board, the appraiser does not have to prove that he/she is innocent. Rather, the Board has to prove guilt. In a C&R case, just as in any other case, the burden of proof woudl be on the plaintiff, not the defendant. Or, that is how it is supposed to work.


Danny,
these aren't criminal laws, you're not guilty or innocent

These are administrative laws, which require you not to be in violation of other laws such as Sherman Anti-Trust.

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Oh and dang,

Engaging in any acts of monopolization such as restricting any person from entering the relevant geographic market or causing any person to leave the relevant geographic market,

New submissions to the MARI since 4/1/2011?

Yup, it all goes back that far.

Oh sorry, that is not allowed under the law, doesn't matter how "bad" you think an appraiser is.
Don't like their "background check"? Oh sorry, still not allowed under the law.

Oh now, isn't there some AMC organizations tying background checks to allowing appraisers to work in a geographic market????

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Brilliant!
I want to thank REVAA and those involved for the best couple of weeks of laughter of my life!

Watching you bozos convince state attorneys all those other words don't exist and don't matter is going to be fun.


And Dan,
Go ahead and keep posting that not qualifying for a persumption suddenly makes AMCs guilty of something.

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The only sad part of the whole thing is that these aren't criminal laws.


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And now that I've actually thought about it in my first spare minute.

How sad for AMCs now that the state's attorney's have every reason to actually look at that Sherman Act and decide if it has been violated,

instead of just leaving it up to a state Appraiser board.

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Thanks for the laughs this morning Danny.

AMCs should morph into comedy teams.

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Oh and dang, Oh now, isn't there some AMC organizations tying background checks to allowing appraisers to work in a geographic market????.

Is that like a textbook example for a RICO case?

I didn't go to law school,

Maybe Tim could answer that question.

Kind of reminds me of the bank robber who sprayed lemon juice in his own face while robbing the bank, just so the security camera would not see him.

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I have to go change my clothes now.

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New dirty laundry I enjoyed making.

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