Where Do You Think "geographic Competency" Begins And Ends?

[Eli]

Don’t keep digging your hole GH.

 

[J Grant]

The problem is that once we open the door for less, we can't close it. In your case you only wanted to see the college 4 year degree dropped but the argument behind it ( a HS grad can be a good appraiser, res appraising is not rocket surgery etc), the argument was just as good for reducing trainng and experience hours.

It might not be your intention but groundwork for removing geo competence can follow the same path of unintended consequences. Will see, in appraisal as elsewhere we can't hide behind "technology", because technology is just a means for doing people's bidding ; the double edged sword of technology is that it allows both good practitioners and bad practitioners to expand their reach.

 

[Meandering]

So back to my original question,

If this was some under handed honest attempt to “get answers” why was Tim so upset for the answers? What part of honest discussion requires an enforcer, other than to protect the dishonesty?

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[Eli]

Let’s open this thing up. I’m good.

Remember public trust is my focus. I could do way better.

George George, your slipping.

 

[George Hatch]

So back to my original question,

If this was some under handed honest attempt to “get answers” why was Tim so upset for the answers? What part of honest discussion requires an enforcer, other than to protect the dishonesty?

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This is getting ridiculous.

What "underhanded" are you alleging and what motivation do you think I would have for being dishonest? When have I ever lied to you or anyone else on this forum about anything?

You are alleging that Tim is acting in bad faith, too. And you're doing it all on the fact-free basis. What Tim does or doesn't think isn't an indication of dishonesty. Disagreeing with you or anyone else isn't an indication of dishonesty or ulterior motives, either.

 

[Eli]

George, can you please contact the TN appraiser coalition on their opinion of your poll and let me know their response? You can pm it or post it here.

 

[Evincere]

Obviously not everyone on here is kook, but there are a lot of kooks on here regularly posting crazy sh*t. As far as why I participate on the AF, I come here mainly for entertainment purposes, I don't have time to go to the zoo.

While there are a few good discussions that start out here every now and then, invariably virtually every good discussion thread gets completely ruined by a handful of the same kooks and idiots who make it virtually impossible to engage in any real, rational discussions of importance here, which is too bad, but it is what it is and is not going to change anytime soon.

And it always seems to be the same Condescending people who interject, suggest and run amok calling OTHER posters kooks, idiots and/or conspiracy paranoids within the the threads.

 

[DWiley]

How should someone interpret this post????

Devious maybe too strong a word.....
Maybe the two of you should have been a bit more "forthcoming" regarding this poll????

I apologize. I was anaware of any Forum rules obligating me to disclose the motivations of others. As George has stated, I knew nothing of the poll until I saw it posted, just like everyone else.

As for my interest on this topic, I have posted multiple times the specific question that asked of George privately. I am struggle to see how I could be more transparent than that.

As George noted, I call him a few times a year to bounce things off of him that I am contemplating. Late in 2017 I took notice of an apparent widespread issue with reports reported on form 1025. After discussing it with the chief appraisers for several large entities, I found a general consensus that a large percentage of such reports were not completed correctly. So, as George noted, I designed some training for our staff and for appraisers in general.

Thinking about the apparent widespread competency gap in that area started me looking harder at the general concept of competency. I found that there is a dearth of academic material on the topic.

I reach out to George on such topics because his understanding of the basic principles and concepts of USPAP, and his ability to express his views in an articulate way, is matched by very few.

I think the question I posted - What is the difference between lacking geo competency and just not yet having completed the tasks required by SR 1-2 and 1-3? - is one that most have not pondered. Now, based on the emotional responses and wild theories posted in this thread, I think few realize how important the answer is.

 

[hastalavista]

I thought the poll question was pretty straightforward and simple.
A question that goes to the individual appraiser's measure of how s/he evaluates her/his competency in regard to working in a market that up to that point, had no direct experience in.

The question was, for a simple property that you are competent in your own market, could you appraise that same property in another market where you had no experience under the following scenarios...?
I don't know if anyone paid much attention to the scenarios, which I thought were interesting. The first four referenced the appraiser had some linkage to geographic competence in their past experience; they knew a neighborhood within the community but not the entire community; they knew a city, but not the entire county, and so on and so forth. Only the last question, (which I answered I could do), had no linkage in the answer: Can you appraise a simple house in any market? Yes, of course, as long as I have the data (which was also a given).

George is one of the last people on this forum that I'd consider having a hidden agenda. Therefore, I took his question at face value.
That a conversation with Danny might have been the genesis of the question doesn't change the fundamental issue (as I see it): How do you, as an appraiser, judge your ability to appraise in markets given these parameters? Quite frankly, if I had that conversation and the question sparked my curiosity, I might have posted a similar poll and it might not even cross my mind to explain why I'm asking (I'm asking because I'm curious; do I have to explain that?).

I used to ask questions on this forum regarding issues. I don't think I've ever run a poll because I don't know how it works. When I asked questions, they were many times related to an article I was writing or a class I was thinking of developing. I thought this forum a great resource to bounce questions off of a group of national appraisers (I have plenty of local appraisers to work with, but here is a national group with a much more diverse perspective than I have).
I'm not going to use it as that kind of resource anymore. Not when a simple question of a simple topic creates pages of attacks. More has been written on the motivations of the poster than support for one's position in the poll (IMO).

A couple of posters write about how outside groups try to divide us; the objective (I take it) is a house divided will fall (or at least, not be able to unite and fight).
A look at the back and forth dynamics of this thread proves to me that we don't need anyone from the outside to accomplish that objective.

 

[Eli]

There are legal issues. Competency. Hello?

We have a TN appraisal coalition. They would be happy to advise anyone.

http://www.tnappraisercoalition.com/