Will You Get The Vaccine?

[Joe Flacco]

You may have me confused for someone else. I try to follow the data and am inclined to trust scientific data. The data shows that masks work. It is not my job to analyze why you wouldn't believe the overwhelming data. I am sure you have your own reasons, but I wouldn't be public with them unless you see the flaws in the following:

• An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.32
• In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.33
• A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.34
• A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.35
• Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.36,37
• Seven studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system,38 a German city,39 a U.S. state,40 a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C.,41,42 as well as both Canada43 and the U.S.44 nationally. Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly. Two of these studies42,44 and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S.45 also demonstrated reductions in mortality. An economic analysis using U.S. data found that, given these effects, increasing universal masking by 15% could prevent the need for lockdowns and reduce associated losses of up to $1 trillion or about 5% of gross domestic product.42

I am sure those are facts. But is that all the facts? Or were those facts selected from all the facts in support of wearing masks. I am sure there are many other studies with mask wearing data being inconclusive or showing no benefit.

 

[Fernando]

I still forget about the new normal.
I drive without wearing my masks.
When I leave the car and go to the store or restaurant, I keep forgetting to put on my mask until I see others or the clerk telling me to wear mask.
I then have to walk back to my car. I put many masks in my many cars so there is always a mask. A cloth mask, N95 mask, disposable mask, or cool looking mask. Depending on my mood.

 

[Joe Flacco]

sorry, @NP_MAI, I got wrapped up in a back and forth, I know you didn't intend this.

I don't think you and I are having a political discussion. I don't care about Trump or Biden or even republicans or democrats.

 

[NachoPerito]

I am sure those are facts. But is that all the facts? Or were those facts selected from all the facts in support of wearing masks. I am sure there are many other studies with mask wearing data being inconclusive or showing no benefit.

It is also common sense. The virus travels through the air and something stops the virus. I am also inclined to think roofs keep water out of houses and bulletproof vests keep bullets out of bodies.

 

[Joe Flacco]

It is also common sense. The virus travels through the air and something stops the virus. I am also inclined to think roofs keep water out of houses and bulletproof vests keep bullets out of bodies.

They say it also goes in your eyes. So then why don't they say everybody needs to wear a mask and goggles? Do you wear goggles?

 

[NachoPerito]

They say it also goes in your eyes. So then why don't they say everybody needs to wear a mask and goggles? Do you wear goggles?

because the goal isn't to eliminate the risk, just reduce it. Wearing a mask is something you can ask society to do to reduce the rate of infection. The R-Naught at 2.5 will result in exponential growth, reducing that to below 1.0 will essentially kill the virus without having to force the population to wear full body suits like people treating Ebola patients.

 

[NachoPerito]

They say it also goes in your eyes. So then why don't they say everybody needs to wear a mask and goggles? Do you wear goggles?

I have a real world example. My wife is a physical therapist and Thursday someone was treated by her and turned out to be positive, showing symptoms later that day. They were both in the same room for 45 minutes in pretty close proximity. They both wore masks. My wife did not catch the virus as the test she received yesterday (still technically possible to test positive in the next couple of days, but not likely). If they didn't have masks on we would be much more nervous about her getting it as most transmission has been when people are interacting indoors in close proximity.

 

[Joe Flacco]

I have a real world example. My wife is a physical therapist and Thursday someone was treated by her and turned out to be positive, showing symptoms later that day. They were both in the same room for 45 minutes in pretty close proximity. They both wore masks. My wife did not catch the virus as the test she received yesterday (still technically possible to test positive in the next couple of days, but not likely). If they didn't have masks on we would be much more nervous about her getting it as most transmission has been when people are interacting indoors in close proximity.

Yes, she would have been more nervous. Would you say that a government agency could issue such statements in order to keep people calm? Give people confidence that they know what is going on and things are under control?

I also have real world example. I know of multiple people that got COVID and nobody else in their house got COVID. They don't live in big houses. They don't wear masks in the house.

 

[NachoPerito]

Yes, she would have been more nervous. Would you say that a government agency could issue such statements in order to keep people calm? Give people confidence that they know what is going on and things are under control?

I also have real world example. I know of multiple people that got COVID and nobody else in their house got COVID. They don't live in big houses. They don't wear masks in the house.

The R-Naught is 2.5, which means that each person gets 2.5 people sick, on average. That actually isn't that many people considering you have a person that is sick for 7 days. So entirely plausible that a family member doesn't get it. They say it is more about oral infection rather than surface so for a person to get it they would be talking to someone looking at them in close proximity. How far the virus travels is dependent on if you are showing symptoms, if you are talking or yelling or singing, and other factors. Some people are superspreaders and some aren't.

 

[Head Surfer]

Definite No. Never had a flu shot, never will take any vaccine. Research it (I mean really research it, not just using Google and mainstream media). You won't take one either when you find out the dangers.

Oh yeah you think the FDA and the government is looking out for you? Then I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you.