Will You Get The Vaccine?

[Dublin ohio]

Fredo getting a haircut. Where is the mask?

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Knowing where he talks from. Probably sitting on it

 

[NachoPerito]

At least we understand your level of thought and reasoning now.

Enjoy your day!

Please wear a mask to help reduce transmission. thanks!

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

The Chinese told everyone, the virus came from a food market.

If the virus came through the food market, it is suspected that many of the workers in Wuhan lab actually stole animals from the lab and sold in that wet market for a little cash. It seems that the virus itself may be a genetically modified cold virus that a bat might carry, but more likely wasn't the culprit. There were reportedly no bats known in that market at the time of the outbreak. China has tried to blame both the US and Australia for the outbreak.

Coronavirus originated in bungled experiments at Wuhan lab, bombshell report claims | Daily Mail Online

Another researcher reported

• In 2012, six miners working in a bat-infested copper mine in southern China (Yunnan province) were infected with a bat coronavirus. All of them developed symptoms exactly like COVID-19 symptoms. Three of them died.
• Viral samples taken from the Yunnan miner were taken to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the only level 4 biosecurity lab in China that was also studying bat coronaviruses.
• The WIV carried out gain of function research, almost certainly on these and a range of related and other samples (which is different than genetically engineering the viruses). Chimeric viruses were likely developed in this process. There has never been a full and public accounting for what viruses are in the WIV sample set and database, and key elements of the database have been taken off line or deleted.
• Given the close relationship of the Chinese Peoples’ Liberation Army (PLA) in the development and constriction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it is fair to assume a connection between the PLA and the WIV.
• In late 2019 the SARS-CoV-2 virus appeared in Wuhan. The closest known relative of this virus is the RaTG13 virus sampled from the Yunnan mine where the miners had been infected.
• The difference between the RaTG13 virus and SARS-CoV-2 could potentially be explained by the gain of function research pushing the development of chimeric viruses.
• It is also plausible that SARS-CoV-2 could have been among the viruses held in or derived from a different virus in the WIV repository.
• In the earliest known stage of the outbreak, the virus was already very well-adapted to human cells.
• In the critical first weeks after the outbreak, Wuhan authorities worked aggressively to silence the whistleblowers and destroy evidence that could prove incriminating.
• When Beijing authorities got involved a bit later, they likely faced a choice of implicating the Wuhan authorities, and, in effect, taking blame for what was quickly emerging as a major global problem, or turning into the curve and going all in for the coverup. I believe they likely chose the second option.

 

[NachoPerito]

Maybe if you would quit trying to convince people that mask are the cure all to end all. You would not be as tired

Masks help reduce transmission of the virus. Please wear a mask. Thanks!

 

[Sadie]

Regarding N95 respirators with exhalation valves:

"We have not been able to identify any peer-reviewed studies to support the recommendation to ban masks or respirators with exhalation valves."

Demystifying theoretical concerns involving respirators with exhalation valves during COVID-19 pandemic - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

respirators with exhalation valves protect the HCP (health care personnel) and their presence may increase the risk to the patient. The significance of this risk has not been evaluated. (NIH). The risk to others according to the article is similar than cloth masks. The article was written 08/20 and studies are still ongoing. I think the "Studies are ongoing" is the key here. Demystifying theoretical concerns involving respirators with exhalation valves during COVID-19 pandemic (nih.gov)

 

[Meandering]

If the virus came through the food market, it is suspected that many of the workers in Wuhan lab actually stole animals from the lab and sold in that wet market for a little cash. It seems that the virus itself may be a genetically modified cold virus that a bat might carry, but more likely wasn't the culprit. There were reportedly no bats known in that market at the time of the outbreak. China has tried to blame both the US and Australia for the outbreak.

Says them, and 100% of the people were still breathing around them and did not get it.

Metagenomic analysis of viruses associated with field ...​

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26894328
To address this knowledge gap, we assessed viruses on commercial romaine and iceberg lettuces in fields and a produce distribution center using a shotgun metagenomic sequencing targeting both RNA and DNA viruses. Commercial lettuce harbors an immense assemblage of viruses that infect a wide range of hosts.


Don't eat anything you can't thoroughly cook first.

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[Terrel L. Shields]

Masks help reduce transmission of the virus.

We wear the mask to comply with the law. I know a number of friends and relatives who have had Covid and all of them were wearing masks when shopping or at work as required by their bosses...even a truck driver wearing his mask in his truck by himself. absurd as that obviously is. Social distancing is probably more effective but how long can society function trying to distance themselves from everything?

I think the "Studies are ongoing" is the key here.

I am afraid my cynicism leads me to suggest more studies will result in more confusion and even less reliability upon these pseudo-scientists on both sides. I am not impressed by the quality of the published articles I have seen in the "trades". They are long on speculation and stretch in interpretations and a short-term, limited participant study is rather meaningless in terms of statistical 'proofs' since any study could be an outlier- either way.

The effectiveness of a mask is limited if the Danish study is correct, but that doesn't mean the same trials should be repeated in order to affirm the results. The Danish study in November suggests perhaps 20% reduction in cases (a group of 6000 was divided into mask wearing and non-mask use and about 2% tested positive overall. That 20% is more in line with many other pre-Covid masking tests suggesting limited utility outside the clinical situation.

A single trial like that without additional identical trials is extremely limited in value as "science". Can we run this trial say, 20 times with other groups and get the same results and what does it mean if the numbers flip? Anything? Nothing? Who knows? And as more and more people test positive, then it may prove difficult to find test groups of 5,000 or more participants who are qualified to join the test group.
Masks not enough to stop COVID-19's spread without distancing, study finds: Even though common mask materials block most of the droplets that spread the virus, that may not be enough at close distances -- ScienceDaily
Social distancing may make a lot more difference. Avoiding central recirculating heat and air systems even more so. Legionaries disease (a bacteria) was circulated through the HVAC system or even water. Pontiac fever is a related but milder disease.
The "consensus" worthless that it is, certainly is not 100% pro-mask.
Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader (rcreader.com)

 

[Dublin ohio]

Avoiding central recirculating heat and air systems even more so

Which imo. May be a bigger problem than recognized. Current data shows that majority of transmission is inside (mostly in homes). With newer homes being more airtight. Fresh air intake is very limited. So if someone is infected and shedding virus. It just keeps on recirculating. Only a limited number of available air filters stop a virus. Plus they can restrict air flow and possibly damage hvac systems. I use a uv-c unit in my plenum. Assume it works. Since uv-c exposure is known to kill viruses

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

And how will social distancing help? I mean you expect teen agers to go on a date and sit 6' apart? Married couples to live on separate ends of the house? All this shut down crap has done is concentrated the shoppers into more crowded spaces. And the elite get to "distance" themselves from the gentiles. Those gentiles still have to work to eat. So they serve your food, check out your grocery, fix your flats and all the while expose themselves to the virus that the elites don't worry about. Short hours, ditto. Walmart and other places are shorter hours and Amazon warehouses are full of exposed workers but benefit enormously from a shutdown. And I watched some BS happy talk about restaurants feeding people hot drinks under a canopy in cold weather, placing a Hibachi on the table for warmth...you can bet that will work in bitter cold. And not 1 restaurant in 50 can survive with 50% business. Air travel down 61% last year. I bet restaurant traffic is down even more. These people cannot hang on much longer. They are going to take out all those SBA loans they can, pocket the money and walk away...and no one will say a thing. And I have no idea what kind of jobs are going to support all the home buyers out there. Makes no sense. Movie theaters will disappear. The economy is slowly going to wind down and down while we pretend we'll just pick some magic point in the future, claim victory over Covid, and everyone will go "back to normal." I think this is the new normal for a long time.

 

[Sadie]

If the virus came through the food market, it is suspected that many of the workers in Wuhan lab actually stole animals from the lab and sold in that wet market for a little cash. It seems that the virus itself may be a genetically modified cold virus that a bat might carry, but more likely wasn't the culprit. There were reportedly no bats known in that market at the time of the outbreak. China has tried to blame both the US and Australia for the outbreak.

Coronavirus originated in bungled experiments at Wuhan lab, bombshell report claims | Daily Mail Online

Another researcher reported

• In 2012, six miners working in a bat-infested copper mine in southern China (Yunnan province) were infected with a bat coronavirus. All of them developed symptoms exactly like COVID-19 symptoms. Three of them died.
• Viral samples taken from the Yunnan miner were taken to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the only level 4 biosecurity lab in China that was also studying bat coronaviruses.
• The WIV carried out gain of function research, almost certainly on these and a range of related and other samples (which is different than genetically engineering the viruses). Chimeric viruses were likely developed in this process. There has never been a full and public accounting for what viruses are in the WIV sample set and database, and key elements of the database have been taken off line or deleted.
• Given the close relationship of the Chinese Peoples’ Liberation Army (PLA) in the development and constriction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it is fair to assume a connection between the PLA and the WIV.
• In late 2019 the SARS-CoV-2 virus appeared in Wuhan. The closest known relative of this virus is the RaTG13 virus sampled from the Yunnan mine where the miners had been infected.
• The difference between the RaTG13 virus and SARS-CoV-2 could potentially be explained by the gain of function research pushing the development of chimeric viruses.
• It is also plausible that SARS-CoV-2 could have been among the viruses held in or derived from a different virus in the WIV repository.
• In the earliest known stage of the outbreak, the virus was already very well-adapted to human cells.
• In the critical first weeks after the outbreak, Wuhan authorities worked aggressively to silence the whistleblowers and destroy evidence that could prove incriminating.
• When Beijing authorities got involved a bit later, they likely faced a choice of implicating the Wuhan authorities, and, in effect, taking blame for what was quickly emerging as a major global problem, or turning into the curve and going all in for the coverup. I believe they likely chose the second option.

i heard the virus came from pangolins obtained in the wet market, but WHO is still researching the exact source(s). Also the molecular structure of the virus rules out that it was man made.