Will You Get The Vaccine?

[Joe Flacco]

My kids have been going to school since end of August. There are only two schools in the whole county with two positive cases which is what is considered an outbreak. Public schools should not be closed. Businesses should not be closed.

COVID cases are not spreading at a faster rate in LA because the democrats are not wearing masks and not social distancing. Has nothing to do with masks or social distancing. It is the weather.

 

[ucbruin]

After the inauguration, the news will switch from doom and gloom to vaccination success and happiness. We are being played by the liberal controlled media.

I hope so....

 

[Sadie]

My kids have been going to school since end of August. There are only two schools in the whole county with two positive cases which is what is considered an outbreak. Public schools should not be closed. Businesses should not be closed.

COVID cases are not spreading at a faster rate in LA because the democrats are not wearing masks and not social distancing. Has nothing to do with masks or social distancing. It is the weather.

My daughter is a middle school teacher in Maryland and schools are not open there, and no plans for reopening them in the near future. Must be a different part of Maryland or maybe elementary vs middle school? The problem with opening schools is not that the kids will get sick, because chances are they will be ok, its the teachers and support staff that are at risk.

 

[Sadie]

I also predicted this. In fact, I also noted that wearing masks would ultimately make the matter worse in the winter, because we're intentionally reducing exposure to the virus and thus the overall level of immunity. That's not an opinion on masks, BTW, but rather a statement of the science behind this. All actions have consequences. Another consequence of this is allowing for much longer spread, as mutations are allowed to develop at a time when immunity (reputedly less than 6 months) is minimized.


For high school, we're at two days a week in person, to be increased to four days a week by the end of the month. My one daughter in college goes full time.

Kids aren't wearing masks when hanging out, and some have had positive tests. Nearly all are asymptomatic, a few have minor symptoms, and zero morbidity overall.

Cite your evidence for masks making the matter worse. And teenagers are not zero morbidity.
SARS-CoV-2–Associated Deaths Among Persons Aged 21 Years — United States, February 12–July 31, 2020 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

 

[glenn walker]

The large amount of masks that are being thrown , onto our Supermarket and gas Station parking lots is really disgusting. those maskers are obviously only caring about themselfs, because some poor Gardner or parking lot guy ends up picking them up and getting Covid-19 from the paper masks. It's so weird because how damn hard is it to take your mask home and dispose of it- These lazy bastards out here in CALI either wear no mask or wear them and toss them on the street. That along with the weekly used condoms, rubber gloves and heroin needles, is a real public safety issue. They should be taken into the fields and shot LOL

 

[The Warrior Monk]

Cite your evidence for masks making the matter worse.

Please read everything in its proper context.

For a seasonal flu, which situation is likely to result in more cases during the winter?

1. Suppressing the exposure of a population, resulting in a lower level of immunity for the population; or
2. Maximizing the exposure of a population, resulting in a higher level of immunity for the population.

I'm arguing for Case #2.

If you disagree, cite sources that higher levels of immunity for the population results in no effect for the overall population, or that cases are increased in a population with a higher degree of immunity. That's what you are arguing.

And teenagers are not zero morbidity.
SARS-CoV-2–Associated Deaths Among Persons Aged 21 Years — United States, February 12–July 31, 2020 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

I never said that. It was specific to my kids school district and high school.

In the future, please read what was stated, and not what you want it to say.

 

[Sadie]

The large amount of masks that are being thrown , onto our Supermarket and gas Station parking lots is really disgusting. those maskers are obviously only caring about themselfs, because some poor Gardner or parking lot guy ends up picking them up and getting Covid-19 from the paper masks. It's so weird because how damn hard is it to take your mask home and dispose of it- These lazy bastards out here in CALI either wear no mask or wear them and toss them on the street. That along with the weekly used condoms, rubber gloves and heroin needles, is a real public safety issue. They should be taken into the fields and shot LOL

It's gross. I see that some stores place garbage bins next to the exit doors to try and curtail the trash. Not shot, just forced to do trash pick up on the side of the road, in bare hands, no gloves, grabber or mask.

 

[Sadie]

Please read everything in its proper context.

For a seasonal flu, which situation is likely to result in more cases during the winter?

1. Suppressing the exposure of a population, resulting in a lower level of immunity for the population; or
2. Maximizing the exposure of a population, resulting in a higher level of immunity for the population.

I'm arguing for Case #2.

If you disagree, cite sources that higher levels of immunity for the population results in no effect for the overall population, or that cases are increased in a population with a higher degree of immunity. That's what you are arguing.

I never said that. It was specific to my kids school district and high school.

In the future, please read what was stated, and not what you want it to say.

New York participated in the CDC <21 study. Teenagers think they are invulnerable to everything. And yes, the younger you are the less serious this disease is and the less contagious you are.
SARS-CoV-2–Associated Deaths Among Persons Aged 21 Years — United States, February 12–July 31, 2020 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

The problem with #2 is so many people have to get the virus that it is estimated that over two million people will die before herd immunity without a vaccine is reached. The idea is to keep most people well until they get vaccinated or enough of the population vaccinated that we have some sort of herd immunity.

Debunking the Myth of Non-Vaccine Herd Immunity in COVID-19 (intermountainhealthcare.org)
#2 would only work if your immunity from Covid lasts a long period of time. Already there have been people who have been re-infected. It is estimated (but not known for sure) that your immunity may only last 9 months. My sister in law was told only 6 months immunity. And all this doesn't take into account how long the illness from this virus lasts or the long term affects associated with contracting the virus. Its a nasty virus. The economic hit from not working for 2 weeks or more is significant. The loss of productivity of all those people in the hospital is significant too. Its not like getting a cold, its a lot more.

Experts say that this pandemic will not be the last. Lets hope that we can get a handle on the next one before it sweeps across the world.
It seems we are all doing something to slow down the disease spread. Hopefully the next time some dire disease is on the horizon, we will be more proactive to stop/slow the spread. I really don't want to do this again.

10 infectious diseases that could be the next pandemic | Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance

 

[glenn walker]

My guess is this will become a never ending problem. The reason is we have so much international travel and we are getting more and more strains of different viruses and diseases which quickly spread. This was seen in past century but on a more limited scale. Example the American Indians had no defense against many diseases the Europeans brought with them.

In Los Angeles County we have very large immigrant populations who do not have good hi-gene habits and many refuse to stop doing what they have always done. I see this in the middle eastern small business owners, in my area many of the liquor stores are owned by Syrians, Jordanians, Koreans etc and most do not wear masks, they don't sanitize counters and they smoke a lot of cigarettes, and coughing without covering their mouths is standard protocol. The you have cultures where standing in your face is the way they were raised and their culture operates, where most born and raised in America have what I call the minimum 3 foot rule, we also tend to talk at a certain voice level but in some cultures they are almost yelling as they talk or discuss something and dispensing their viral load into the other persons face.

So you take a melting pot and its a breeding ground for the spread of disease. Unfortunately due to PC our health officials or schools cannot train or teach people good public health practices. So in the end , I expect to see more and more serious pandemics. Plus now we are used to mass panic and a belief by people that politicians can solve all their health problems.

A world wide economic collapse, is when starvation accelerates and the spread of disease and you end up in a situation like third world nations, where hunger and disease is just accepted as a way of life.

Based on past History WW-1 & WW-11 both were beginning during economic depressions. Unfortunately, the Black Swan that may sucker punch us and kill us all is not a disease or pandemic but a Nuclear Attack and a new regime will take over and finish us off because they would not need or want to be feeding millions of Americans. China and Russia have lost millions over the years and they didn't bat an-eye because life simply has no worth in many of these regimes. My expectation is 2021 will be a year that we find out that we are no longer the Big Dog in the cage and our enemy's may take advantage of us all being focused on a disease and its a good opportunity to hit us first. 50 ICBMs and every Major City in America is gone in 45 minutes, YES we would counter attack with our ICBMs but the difference is we don't have the ability to get back on our feet. The Russians and Chinese would simply bury there millions of bodies and get back on their feet.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

old guy fall off of roof.

It should be against the law to wave both hands at an old guy when he is on the roof, or on a ladder...

Kids aren't wearing masks when hanging out

Does anyone believe that dating has been banned since the crisis started?