Will You Get The Vaccine?

[TMG]

After the inauguration, the news will switch from doom and gloom to vaccination success and happiness. We are being played by the liberal controlled media.

 

[Michigan CG]

OMG, this subject is so tiring and the opinions and arguments are so tiring and redundant.

The politics of it all is so tiring and the conspiracy theories are so tiring.

So, let us start with the politics of it. My wife and I are Reagan Conservatives. I have never voted for a Democrat in my life and never will. This should NOT be about politics but a few idiots on both sides of the aisle have made it political.

I am just an appraiser. But I am married to a Nurse Practitioner who is on the ABSOLUTE front lines of this disaster. It is estimated she has been exposed about 400 times to Covid-19 patients since March when she goes to the Emergency Room to respond to a car crash/gunshot/old guy fall off of roof.

Cloth masks help but are not perfect. They filter what you breathe out and what you breathe in to a certain extent. It is proven. Are they perfect? No.

If you have been to the ER in the last decade (I have been three times in the last three years) no one wore a mask. The nurses, doctors and support staff never wore masks in the ER or trauma bays. I know that because I am married to an NP who talks to me daily and have been in those trauma bays three times.

In early April the ER people all were wearing cloth masks and by July they were all wearing N-95 masks in the ER when a trauma came in. The patients all get cloth masks put on them if possible.

Three hospital employees have died. One was a front desk worker for the ER, one was an ER nurse who was only 32 and the other was a 60+ nurse.

My wife responds to multiple Emergency Room calls per day but her main job is to run the Trauma Surgery ICU. She says that she works with over 100 different nurses per week given their schedules. Not ONE nurse has gotten Covid from dealing with patients. Her nurses on the ICU floor wear cloth masks. When my wife leaves her office she wears two cloth masks.

My wife's team is about 20 people including five doctors, two NPs, eight residents and support staff. Four of them have had Covid which is scary at 20%. Two of them don't have any patient contact; one got it from her teenage daughter and one got it from a family gathering.

Two residents got it. The residents were assigned the Covid units daily (they are separate from the rest of the units) because of their age. My wife is not allowed by her boss to go into the Covid units because of her age (53) even though they wear "spacesuits".

The two residents did not get it from the patients in the Covid units or the ICUs they work in. One resident got it from her wedding and the other resident got it because he worked with her midnight shifts and they would hang out together without masks.

Cloth masks work to a certain degree and are better than nothing and there is nothing that can dispute that.

 

[Sadie]

I'll assume your gaslighting.

Why do you believe a cloth mask or similar that was never designed to stop droplets or viruses, which always has notable air gaps, is better than a respirator actually designed to stop aerosolized viruses, but may, in the worst case scenario, have similar air gaps along the face?

In reality, the overwhelming majority of people wearing respirators know what they are doing. I've yet to see a person wearing a respirator under their nose, or even not making full contact with the face. OTOH, the number of people that aren't wearing their cloth/surgical/etc. masks properly is probably in the 75% range, based on daily observation.

"Due to the associated time and costs, some health officials propose the elimination of fit-testing and advocate that a fit-check is sufficient in determining respirator fit. However, the US NIOSH conducted a study that demonstrated protection of N95/FFP2 masks improved from 67% without fit-testing to 96% with fit-testing."
Personal protective respirator masks (PPE) often do not fit correctly, especially for women and Asian healthcare workers (medicalxpress.com)
I don't gaslight.

 

[NachoPerito]

I only wear respirators, and have since the beginning. While I'm not worried about the virus, I am worried about a massive loss of income because of the time I will have to take off if I get exposed.

BTW, why would I want to wear something that increases the spread, as you are suggesting? I thought your goal was to decrease the spread???

I'm glad you are wearing an N95!

 

[Michigan CG]

To continue my thoughts on the mask thing, I have a hard time with the anti-maskers who the political left have labeled as a conservative thing. Yes, there are some but let us not pretend that people who do not wear masks are all conservatives. Covid-19 is exploding in Los Angeles which is not exactly a Republican area.

Again, citing my wife, the NP, she predicted that the virus would be worse come winter and she was correct. Conservative people, liberal people and independent people are gathering at house parties now that it is cold and that is what she said would happen. It makes sense.

Teenagers are not in school here as it is all virtual. Does anyone believe that they aren't hanging together? Does anyone think that 17-year-old kids are not having parties? If you believe that you are very wrong.

 

[Sadie]

I'll assume your gaslighting.

Why do you believe a cloth mask or similar that was never designed to stop droplets or viruses, which always has notable air gaps, is better than a respirator actually designed to stop aerosolized viruses, but may, in the worst case scenario, have similar air gaps along the face?

In reality, the overwhelming majority of people wearing respirators know what they are doing. I've yet to see a person wearing a respirator under their nose, or even not making full contact with the face. OTOH, the number of people that aren't wearing their cloth/surgical/etc. masks properly is probably in the 75% range, based on daily observation.

I don't dispute that N95 respirators when worn correctly are superior to cloth masks. But the key here is you need to actually wear the mask and not just when you are on an inspection. Unless I misunderstood you, earlier you stated that you only wear masks during inspections.

 

[NachoPerito]

To continue my thoughts on the mask thing, I have a hard time with the anti-maskers who the political left have labeled as a conservative thing. Yes, there are some but let us not pretend that people who do not wear masks are all conservatives. Covid-19 is exploding in Los Angeles which is not exactly a Republican area.

Again, citing my wife, the NP, she predicted that the virus would be worse come winter and she was correct. Conservative people, liberal people and independent people are gathering at house parties now that it is cold and that is what she said would happen. It makes sense.

Teenagers are not in school here as it is all virtual. Does anyone believe that they aren't hanging together? Does anyone think that 17-year-old kids are not having parties? If you believe that you are very wrong.

The Trump side of the republican party made masks political. If Trump encouraged mask wearing the conversation would be much different today. In fact, everything has become political since Trump became president. We now have our conservative burger joints and liberal burger joints. We have our conservative cell phone companies and liberal cell phone companies. The companies didn't want it this way. They loved being apolitical, but got forced into making a choice.

 

[djd09]

Ohio Coronavirus Wastewater Monitoring Network

In a new effort to help mitigate the spread of COVID-19, a network across Ohio is studying samples of wastewater to look for the presence of gene copies/fragments of the virus that causes the disease.

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/other-resources/wastewater

nice, the gov is digging through your poop. hope they find a good one.

 

[Bobby Bucks]

The thread linked below was almost a year ago and deserves revisiting, it was the first thread here on the Wuhan virus to my knowledge and I believe it was locked due to a snowflake blizzard. I advocated using the N95 and was harshly criticized for being an alarmist. This was during the time that compassionate politicians were encouraging people to dine out, revel and ignore the fear mongering from a xenophobic POTUS who restricted air travel from some countries. My how that pendulum has reversed. This confirms the truth about the mask fanatics, they’re phony, self-righteous, virtue signalers. My N95 is far superior to their custom masks with politically correct slogans, although I realize it has limitations. I wear it when the law requires it, but also understand it isn’t a magical force field just because Alyssa Milano says it is. Always remember, wear a mask, wash your hands, practice social distancing, but above all, be certain the political message embroidered on your mask doesn’t offend anyone except those who realize the mask cult is no different than ancient pagan cultures who believed in the divinity of kings.

Coronavirus, masks and 2055s

And now USPS says they will not guarantee on time delivery of your cheap crap from China. Or Hong Kong. The nerve. :cautious:

appraisersforum.com

 

[The Warrior Monk]

To continue my thoughts on the mask thing, I have a hard time with the anti-maskers who the political left have labeled as a conservative thing. Yes, there are some but let us not pretend that people who do not wear masks are all conservatives. Covid-19 is exploding in Los Angeles which is not exactly a Republican area.

Again, citing my wife, the NP, she predicted that the virus would be worse come winter and she was correct. Conservative people, liberal people and independent people are gathering at house parties now that it is cold and that is what she said would happen. It makes sense.

I also predicted this. In fact, I also noted that wearing masks would ultimately make the matter worse in the winter, because we're intentionally reducing exposure to the virus and thus the overall level of immunity. That's not an opinion on masks, BTW, but rather a statement of the science behind this. All actions have consequences. Another consequence of this is allowing for much longer spread, as mutations are allowed to develop at a time when immunity (reputedly less than 6 months) is minimized.

Teenagers are not in school here as it is all virtual. Does anyone believe that they aren't hanging together? Does anyone think that 17-year-old kids are not having parties? If you believe that you are very wrong.

For high school, we're at two days a week in person, to be increased to four days a week by the end of the month. My one daughter in college goes full time.

Kids aren't wearing masks when hanging out, and some have had positive tests. Nearly all are asymptomatic, a few have minor symptoms, and zero morbidity overall.