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Will You Get The Vaccine?

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Will you get the vaccine?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 65.7%
  • No

    Votes: 12 17.1%
  • I don't know yet

    Votes: 12 17.1%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
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it is estimated that over two million people will die
That would mean a far higher death rate than now. About 7 years worth ...2 million divided by 325,000? And do lockdowns solve the problem or only make it worse?
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My guess is this will become a never ending problem. The reason is we have so much international travel and we are getting more and more strains of different viruses and diseases which quickly spread. This was seen in past century but on a more limited scale. Example the American Indians had no defense against many diseases the Europeans brought with them.

In Los Angeles County we have very large immigrant populations who do not have good hi-gene habits and many refuse to stop doing what they have always done. I see this in the middle eastern small business owners, in my area many of the liquor stores are owned by Syrians, Jordanians, Koreans etc and most do not wear masks, they don't sanitize counters and they smoke a lot of cigarettes, and coughing without covering their mouths is standard protocol. The you have cultures where standing in your face is the way they were raised and their culture operates, where most born and raised in America have what I call the minimum 3 foot rule, we also tend to talk at a certain voice level but in some cultures they are almost yelling as they talk or discuss something and dispensing their viral load into the other persons face.

So you take a melting pot and its a breeding ground for the spread of disease. Unfortunately due to PC our health officials or schools cannot train or teach people good public health practices. So in the end , I expect to see more and more serious pandemics. Plus now we are used to mass panic and a belief by people that politicians can solve all their health problems.

A world wide economic collapse, is when starvation accelerates and the spread of disease and you end up in a situation like third world nations, where hunger and disease is just accepted as a way of life.

Based on past History WW-1 & WW-11 both were beginning during economic depressions. Unfortunately, the Black Swan that may sucker punch us and kill us all is not a disease or pandemic but a Nuclear Attack and a new regime will take over and finish us off because they would not need or want to be feeding millions of Americans. China and Russia have lost millions over the years and they didn't bat an-eye because life simply has no worth in many of these regimes. My expectation is 2021 will be a year that we find out that we are no longer the Big Dog in the cage and our enemy's may take advantage of us all being focused on a disease and its a good opportunity to hit us first. 50 ICBMs and every Major City in America is gone in 45 minutes, YES we would counter attack with our ICBMs but the difference is we don't have the ability to get back on our feet. The Russians and Chinese would simply bury there millions of bodies and get back on their feet.
An immunologist interviewed on NPR said that in order to get this pandemic under control, the world needs to be immunized, not just select countries. A spokesperson for GAVI, an NGO that provides vaccines to poor countries said they had just purchased 170 million doses of the Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine for poor countries. So on that front progress is being made.
 
New York participated in the CDC <21 study. Teenagers think they are invulnerable to everything. And yes, the younger you are the less serious this disease is and the less contagious you are.
SARS-CoV-2–Associated Deaths Among Persons Aged 21 Years — United States, February 12–July 31, 2020 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

The problem with #2 is so many people have to get the virus that it is estimated that over two million people will die before herd immunity without a vaccine is reached. The idea is to keep most people well until they get vaccinated or enough of the population vaccinated that we have some sort of herd immunity.

Debunking the Myth of Non-Vaccine Herd Immunity in COVID-19 (intermountainhealthcare.org)
#2 would only work if your immunity from Covid lasts a long period of time. Already there have been people who have been re-infected. It is estimated (but not known for sure) that your immunity may only last 9 months. My sister in law was told only 6 months immunity. And all this doesn't take into account how long the illness from this virus lasts or the long term affects associated with contracting the virus. Its a nasty virus. The economic hit from not working for 2 weeks or more is significant. The loss of productivity of all those people in the hospital is significant too. Its not like getting a cold, its a lot more.

Experts say that this pandemic will not be the last. Lets hope that we can get a handle on the next one before it sweeps across the world.
It seems we are all doing something to slow down the disease spread. Hopefully the next time some dire disease is on the horizon, we will be more proactive to stop/slow the spread. I really don't want to do this again.

10 infectious diseases that could be the next pandemic | Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance
I'm going to pass on the discussion, because this all started when your misread my post. You're also used dated stats, literally from over five months ago, indicating that you aren't keeping up to date on the issues.
 
I'm going to pass on the discussion, because this all started when your misread my post. You're also used dated stats, literally from over five months ago, indicating that you aren't keeping up to date on the issues.
Ok, You provided NO stats so thats fine.
 
Ok, You provided NO stats so thats fine.
What stats would you like? Cumulative or daily cases, deaths, etc.? Would you like them on a per diem, rolling, or cumulative basis? Which country, or would you like comparisons country by country? I actually have my own spreadsheets I made up to further analysis the data, especially for determining percentages.

What is the reason you are using 5-month old data? Why do you believe it is more accurate than current, up-to-date data, which is immediately available?
 
Today, I had a Doc Appointment at the VA Med Center in Charlotte. I was required to wear a mask. No Problem. Every person Employees and Patients ALL were wearing Mask. My Doctor's nurse did all the prelim work wearing a mask. My Doctor did part of the examination over the intercom phone with me at the VA. Then she came in and did the things she had to do in person. The Vampire Lady at Blood Draw station wore a Mask.

All the VA employees have had the Covid Vaccine. No one had an adverse reaction.

My Doc's nurse gave me two injections; Tetanus and Flu. All other shots were up to date. The Doc told me I am in the 2nd Group to get Covid Vaccine. I am not old enough for the first group but qualify for the 2nd group because of comorbidities(I'm diabetic) and my age and service-connected disabilities.

I ask her to put my name at the top of List #2 and I can be there anytime they want. She chuckled.

Everyone in the Facility was following the Protocols, EVERYONE! Here is really good news. The Old Soldiers Home in Salisbury has not lost any of the residents to Covid.
Apparently, it is like a Fortress. They do have a restricted area for Family visitation with very strict Protocols.
 
What stats would you like? Cumulative or daily cases, deaths, etc.? Would you like them on a per diem, rolling, or cumulative basis? Which country, or would you like comparisons country by country? I actually have my own spreadsheets I made up to further analysis the data, especially for determining percentages.

What is the reason you are using 5-month old data? Why do you believe it is more accurate than current, up-to-date data, which is immediately available?
5 month old data is sometimes the most recent available. How about the stats you used to form your opinions? If you've got better data, I would like to see it. The more informed we are the better off we will be.
 
5 month old data is sometimes the most recent available. How about the stats you used to form your opinions? If you've got better data, I would like to see it. The more informed we are the better off we will be.
I find it utterly stunning that you are completely unaware that this information is constantly updated and can't even find it.

Just some random things I check all the time.

Deaths per capita by country:


Provisional graphs by demographic:


Much of this information can be downloaded/copied and pasted into spreadsheets for further analysis. It what us science/engineering grads do for fun!
 
I find it utterly stunning that you are completely unaware that this information is constantly updated and can't even find it.

Just some random things I check all the time.

Deaths per capita by country:


Provisional graphs by demographic:


Much of this information can be downloaded/copied and pasted into spreadsheets for further analysis. It what us science/engineering grads do for fun!
Thank you. You must have a better search engine than I do. What about the mask data?
 
Thank you. You must have a better search engine than I do.
Key words matter in searches. I also have an associate's degree in computer science, so I have at least a conceptual understanding of the way search engines work.
What about the mask data?
I don't have the studies bookmarked. There's actually not that many of the them prior to the pandemic, as cloth and other masks were generally not effective and were not used in clinical settings. There are some more recent ones. To sum it up, they're useless against aerosolized viruses in every study, and there is some efficacy with regard to stopping virus carried by droplets. Terrell pretty much summed it up previously, noting that many studies are in clinical setting; i.e., standards that the general populace doesn't follow is completely unaware of. The other issue is that even at a 70% efficacy rate and proper use, it's still going to spread.
 
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