Will You Get The Vaccine?

[Sadie]

Well Uncle Joe has decided to throw a wrench into the works. He has decided that when he takes office. He will release all of the vaccine to the states. Shows he knows nothing about how the current vaccines work. It is going to be a major cluster.

I just read the article. He is planning on invoking the Defence Production Act so more of the vaccine can be made for that second dose. No matter what he does, someone will always complain about it. Releasing the vaccine without a plan isn't going to speed the rate of vaccinations. I would hope he has a plan. And I think he knows how the current vaccines work.

 

[Dublin ohio]

I just read the article. He is planning on invoking the Defence Production Act so more of the vaccine can be made. No matter what he does, someone will always complain about it. Releasing the vaccine without a plan isn't going to speed the rate of vaccinations. I would hope he has a plan.

The dpa is fine in some situations. But ramping up vaccine production is a little more difficult than building ventilators. The equipment to produce vaccines is not something you can produce quickly. It is specialized equipment. Production is not the problem. It is getting shots in arms. Need to find some way to train more people to administer shots. But there is a limited number of people that have the
prerequisite skills required to be relatively quickly trained

 

[J Grant]

Well Uncle Joe has decided to throw a wrench into the works. He has decided that when he takes office. He will release all of the vaccine to the states. Shows he knows nothing about how the current vaccines work. It is going to be a major cluster.

I was reading about this protocol before the announcement, medical professionals say that the two does give 95 % immunity, while one (first dose) gives 85-90% immunity, so his decision to get more people vaccinated imo is a good one given the rapid rise of case numbers esp with the newer more transmissible mutant strain of the virus ( as if we need more troubles, here comes the mutant strain )

 

[J Grant]

The dpa is fine in some situations. But ramping up vaccine production is a little more difficult than building ventilators. The equipment to produce vaccines is not something you can produce quickly. It is specialized equipment. Production is not the problem. It is getting shots in arms. Need to find some way to train more people to administer shots. But there is a limited number of people that have the
prerequisite skills required to be relatively quickly trained

Imo there are many who can vaccinate, such as pharmacists in supermarkets and drugstores who administer flu shots, nurse assistants in walk in clinics etc --- the problem is getting the vaccine to them and storing it - I understand it has to be kept very cold is part of the problem....

 

[Dublin ohio]

gives 85-90% immunity

Who are these so called medical professionals. The phase 3 trials only indicated approx. a 50% efficacy after first dose. Follow the science.

 

[Sadie]

The dpa is fine in some situations. But ramping up vaccine production is a little more difficult than building ventilators. The equipment to produce vaccines is not something you can produce quickly. It is specialized equipment. Production is not the problem. It is getting shots in arms. Need to find some way to train more people to administer shots. But there is a limited number of people that have the
prerequisite skills required to be relatively quickly trained

I read that it wasn't that we lack trained individuals, it was we lacked trained authorized individuals. So just recently, pharmacists were allowed to administer the vaccine. Health Depts are working to get dentists, vets and other health care professionals authority. I thought the whole thing was stupid. CVS and Walgreens were ready vaccinate, but couldn't.
According to articles I have read, DPA will help in because its not just the vaccine itself, its the vials, the needles, the swabs to wipe your arm, the bandaids. etc. And the pharm companies say it will help and they are the ones making the vaccines.

 

[Sadie]

Who are these so called medical professionals. The phase 3 trials only indicated approx. a 50% efficacy after first dose. Follow the science.

I heard the same thing, but perhaps the thought is 50% is better than 0?

 

[Dublin ohio]

Imo there are many who can vaccinate, such as pharmacists in supermarkets and drugstores who administer flu shots, nurse assistants in walk in clinics etc

You are over simplifying the situation. All of the people you mentioned have other responsibilities already. Pharmacists have to fill prescriptions, The clinics have daily patients, etc, etc.. They still need to be trained. Plus there is a 15 minute monitoring period after the shot. They need to set up areas where they can do a large volume. You need areas to do the post shot monitoring and someone other than the person who gives the shot to do the monitoring. In most pharmacies and clinics. You might have 1 or 2 pharmacists or nurses assistants with only a small area to work in. So you can only give 1 or 2 shots every 15 minutes or so. It is not going to be easy. Joe is putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Dublin ohio]

I heard the same thing, but perhaps the thought is 50% is better than 0?

Problem is is that that 50% could easily drop off rapidly. There needs to be a large quantity of the initial antibodies formed to trigger the bodies other immune responses effectively. Particularly activating the B cell response

 

[Sadie]

You are over simplifying the situation. All of the people you mentioned have other responsibilities already. Pharmacists have to fill prescriptions, The clinics have daily patients, etc, etc.. They still need to be trained. Plus there is a 15 minute monitoring period after the shot. They need to set up areas where they can do a large volume. You need areas to do the post shot monitoring and someone other than the person who gives the shot to do the monitoring. In most pharmacies and clinics. You might have 1 or 2 pharmacists or nurses assistants with only a small area to work in. So you can only give 1 or 2 shots every 15 minutes or so. It is not going to be easy. Joe is putting the cart before the horse.

No, I am not. pharmacists already administer vaccines as part of their job. In fact, CVS and Walgreens are apparently already doing this. The other professionals will be allowed to do this if they want to. Many here in Oregon have voiced their willingness to do so. With the Moderna vaccine only needing to be normal frozen, this greatly expands the ability to get shots in arms.