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Will You Get The Vaccine?

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Will you get the vaccine?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 65.7%

  • No

    Votes: 12 17.1%

  • I don't know yet

    Votes: 12 17.1%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
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This was going to be a logistical problem from the start. If all of the parties involved did not have plans in place. Imo. The states have dropped the ball. They have had plenty of time to plan. Some states (like NY) are still bickering about who gets the vaccine first. I do not want to hear the crying about no money. They always seem to find money for their pet projects. Move some funds around. Maybe some areas should have taken the redistributed police funds and distribute them to vaccine administering.
 
Dublin ohio said:
Problem is is that that 50% could easily drop off rapidly. There needs to be a large quantity of the initial antibodies formed to trigger the bodies other immune responses effectively. Particularly activating the B cell response
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You don't know that. the 50% could hold over years or increase for that matter. It could also prevent you from getting super sick if you do contract the virus. Anyway its probably moot, by the time the first dose of the vaccine is used up the second dose will be ready anyway because vaccinations are taking so long.
 
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Dublin ohio said:
This was going to be a logistical problem from the start. If all of the parties involved did not have plans in place. Imo. The states have dropped the ball. They have had plenty of time to plan. Some states (like NY) are still bickering about who gets the vaccine first. I do not want to hear the crying about no money. They always seem to find money for their pet projects. Move some funds around. Maybe some areas should have taken the redistributed police funds and distribute them to vaccine administering.
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Most of the states revenues are way down. Some money can't be reallocated by law. And states have to have balanced budgets. I think the fed needs to step in and tell the states what to do because leaving it up to individual states isn't working. I don't really like that idea, but it might be the only way to get it done.
 
Sadie said:
No, I am not. pharmacists already administer vaccines as part of their job. In fact, CVS and Walgreens are apparently already doing this. The other professionals will be allowed to do this if they want to. Many here in Oregon have voiced their willingness to do so. With the Moderna vaccine only needing to be normal frozen, this greatly expands the ability to get shots in arms.
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Yes all of the people you mention do that. But your are ignoring the large volume that need to be provided. The standard protocol requires a 15 minute post shot monitoring period. At that rate. A pharmacist working alone could only do 3- 4 shots per hour at the most. The 15 minutes does not account for preparation and administering the shot. Let alone sanitizing the area between patients. Do the math. Are all of these people you are speaking of willing to give up their regular jobs to vaccinate people.
Sadie said:
You don't know that
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I suggest you research a little about how the immune response reacts. It is extremely complicated and involves various cells. I do not know for sure. But neither does anybody else. I do have enough knowledge about the immune response that it is risky to play what ifs or maybe in the current pandemic
 
You cannot look at administering the shot in a vacuum. There are a myriad of moving parts in dealing with the logistics.
 
Sadie said:
I think the fed needs to step in and tell the states what to do
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The CDC put out recommendations as to who should get the vaccine and in what order. Like I said before. Some states are still trying to decide who gets it and when. Some have set there own priorities. Do you think they would do any better giving the vaccine.
 
Dublin ohio said:
Problem is is that that 50% could easily drop off rapidly. There needs to be a large quantity of the initial antibodies formed to trigger the bodies other immune responses effectively. Particularly activating the B cell response
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they probably will set up mass vaccination sites
 
Dublin ohio said:
Yes all of the people you mention do that. But your are ignoring the large volume that need to be provided. The standard protocol requires a 15 minute post shot monitoring period. At that rate. A pharmacist working alone could only do 3- 4 shots per hour at the most. The 15 minutes does not account for preparation and administering the shot. Let alone sanitizing the area between patients. Do the math. Are all of these people you are speaking of willing to give up their regular jobs to vaccinate people.

I suggest you research a little about how the immune response reacts. It is extremely complicated and involves various cells. I do not know for sure. But neither does anybody else. I do have enough knowledge about the immune response that it is risky to play what ifs or maybe in the current pandemic
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You can choose to be optimistic or pessimistic about this. I have actually quite a bit of research on this, I just have come to a different conclusion than you. A Single Vaccine Dose Appears To Protect Against COVID-19. So Why Are We Giving Two? | CommonHealth (wbur.org). Just an example. One epidemiologist says 50%, the other says as high as 90% effective. Moderna's initial study shows 80-90% efficacy with one dose. And no one knows how long this lasts. The point of two is they are pretty sure the immunization will hold whereas they are not sure the single dose will hold. According to what I have been able to figure out you should have some sort of immunity due to T cell memory. even with only one dose.
And as to the vaccine roll out - it has been a cluster from the get go.
 
Dublin ohio said:
The CDC put out recommendations as to who should get the vaccine and in what order. Like I said before. Some states are still trying to decide who gets it and when. Some have set there own priorities. Do you think they would do any better giving the vaccine.
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Can't do worse.
 
Sadie said:
You can choose to be optimistic or pessimistic about this. I have actually quite a bit of research on this, I just have come to a different conclusion than you. A Single Vaccine Dose Appears To Protect Against COVID-19. So Why Are We Giving Two? | CommonHealth (wbur.org). Just an example. One epidemiologist says 50%, the other says as high as 90% effective. Moderna's initial study shows 80-90% efficacy with one dose. And no one knows how long this lasts. The point of two is they are pretty sure the immunization will hold whereas they are not sure the single dose will hold. According to what I have been able to figure out you should have some sort of immunity due to T cell memory. even with only one dose.
And as to the vaccine roll out - it has been a cluster from the get go.
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I am neither optimistic or pessimistic. I am realistic. The numbers do not lie. The article you cited is so full of ifs, and, buts and maybes. That they admit they really do not know. Optimism is one thing. Rolling the dice is another. If you get lucky you win. If not. Snake eyes.
J Grant said:
they probably will set up mass vaccination sites
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Some already have. But it is still a numbers problem. Having enough people and room to do it. Plus the vaccine has a shelf life of 30 days. Some of the initial doses shipped will be reaching that point in a week or two
 
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