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Another "paired" appraisal allegation, Seattle

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04/2022 appraisal (not mid-2021), C4, 1ba, no offstreet parking or access.

Nobody said anything about ignoring the mid-2021 sales. They're obviously part of the analysis but they're not current to a 03/2022 or 04/2022 appraisal.

Condition OBVIOUSLY isn't a trivial factor in these sales, so blowing past the remodels of the 3 as if they're insignificant isn't happening. They shouldn't even appear in any appraisal of a c4 subject. That's an immediate red flag in any review situation, especially when there are ample sales of more similar condition.

If I spend $150k on a major remodel including a new roof, all new windows/doors and a real kitchen/bath remodel then the adjustment between that and the beater is *at least* $250k, not $150k. I'm not doing a remodel/flip and taking my chances with contingencies for free.
So for an "as is"....
"Most similar" means only the last sale (3537) is directly comparable in terms of size/condition, except it does have offstreet parking which already makes it superior. Not to mention irreconcilable with 3526 AND 3536 in the same analysis.

That means including the dated 3537 along with 4-5 other more recent comps in that size range at C4, preferably including some with no offstreet parking of any kind. That DOESN'T mean backing into a value based primarily on major remodels w/offstreet parking + 3537 w/garage.

Here's the question: Do you really think the buyer for this house would limit their "substitutes" to this block? Because the $705k sale in 10/2022 is also located on this block.

You keep talking about that house but that is a super ugly house. You don't have neighborhoods with the sears type of homes in your area?

Even if you forget the 2022 sale for 1.1M, you would probably include the other three, yeah? The middle one with unfinished basement that sold for $800k was updated in the past but probably like 20 years ago.

The way it comes across to me is that it seems like you really want to justify the low value for some reason.
 
4222 34th Ave S - 3bd/2.5ba, 1860sf, 1-car garage @ paved alley - $645k - 12/2021
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/4222-34th-Ave-S-98118/home/172084


4231 46th Ave S - 3bd./2ba, 1400sf, Similar overall condition, terraced lot - no onsite parking - $622k
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/4231-46th-Ave-S-98118/home/488168 03/2022


4710 S Orca St - 3bd/1ba, 1340sf, superior condition, unfinished basement, open parking at the rear
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/4710-S-Orcas-St-98118/home/492918 - $673k. 11/2021

5129 S Findlay St - 3bd/1ba 1480sf, similar condition, open parking, unfin basement; $655k in 04/05/2022\

4240 S Findlay St - 3bd/2ba, 1720sf (incl finished basement) , superior condition, no onsite parking - $725k in 11/2021
Zillow.com

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The $1.1 million is not a bigger house man. You are just completely ignoring the facts. They are all similar size homes on the main level and 3541 is the only home with finished space upstairs, meeting ansi or not.

Also note that all these houses you are picking have 8' ceiling height while these 1910's bungalow style homes on Bennett have 9' ceiling.

You come across as biased in this thread. Unable to look at facts objectively.
 
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Do you really think the buyer for this house would limit their "substitutes" to this block? Because the $705k sale in 10/2022 is also located on this block.
Nope, I think when there is a shortage buyers open up their search to a larger area, and locations that were once -10% might start to become more similar.

The $1.1 million is not a bigger house man. You are just completely ignoring the facts. They are all similar size homes on the main level and 3541 is the only home with finished space upstairs, meeting ansi or not.
Put the $1.1m house on a grid and show how you'd adjust it.
 
Nope, I think when there is a shortage buyers open up their search to a larger area, and locations that were once -10% might start to become more similar.


Put the $1.1m house on a grid and show how you'd adjust it.

Okay. I will grid the 4 on the street. Then you guys take that ugly low budget house and that house fronting a 6 lane street with whatever other comps you think are appropriate and then grid it and adjust it.
 
Based on the comps that you guys are saying are appropriate, you are basically saying that all four sales on the street on the most similar lots are outliers.

Also, how are you guys determining that the Clarks house does not have the alley in the back?
 
4222 34th Ave S - 3bd/2.5ba, 1860sf, 1-car garage @ paved alley - $645k - 12/2021
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/4222-34th-Ave-S-98118/home/172084


4231 46th Ave S - 3bd./2ba, 1400sf, Similar overall condition, terraced lot - no onsite parking - $622k
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/4231-46th-Ave-S-98118/home/488168 03/2022


4710 S Orca St - 3bd/1ba, 1340sf, superior condition, unfinished basement, open parking at the rear
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/4710-S-Orcas-St-98118/home/492918 - $673k. 11/2021

5129 S Findlay St - 3bd/1ba 1480sf, similar condition, open parking, unfin basement; $655k in 04/05/2022\

4240 S Findlay St - 3bd/2ba, 1720sf (incl finished basement) , superior condition, no onsite parking - $725k in 11/2021
Zillow.com

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Really? You pick these super ugly houses in a different area over the most similar 1910's bungalows on the street?
 
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It's these differences like deeper back yards, general appeal of the improvements, the wall that was removed between the kitchen and dining room, etc. that often causes these differences in opinions. These are not factors that are often given proper consideration. There are hundreds of variables like these that are not reflected in the sales comparison approach grid. The only way to really account for these types of differences is when selecting comparable properties.
I think you nailed it with this comment.

The $1.1 million house is superior in every single way.
-Superior level lot and fence
-Concrete driveway that runs the length of the lot so you can exit from the front or rear
-Superior exterior siding, curb appeal, and roof
-On the interior, you have superior everything... flooring, windows, trim, doors, lighting, appliances, crown molding, and probably more too.
-It's got 3 baths versus the subject's 1. It has an en suite in the primary BR and this alone makes it not a comp.
-The basement is larger and nicely finished vs the subject's 424sf unfinished basement.
-The $1.1m is a legit 4-bedroom home and all the bedrooms have functional ceiling heights and closets, which does not appear to be the case for the subject

Even if the Clarks was remodeled top to bottom it couldn't get to $1.1m because of the parking, basement, 1.5 vs 1 story, and lack of options for 3 baths including ensuite.

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Really? You pick these super ugly houses in a different area over the most similar 1910's bungalows on the street?
I do not pick those comps. But I think they are closer to the truth than the $1.1m house.
 
You keep talking about that house but that is a super ugly house. You don't have neighborhoods with the sears type of homes in your area?

Even if you forget the 2022 sale for 1.1M, you would probably include the other three, yeah? The middle one with unfinished basement that sold for $800k was updated in the past but probably like 20 years ago.

The way it comes across to me is that it seems like you really want to justify the low value for some reason.
WTH? This is an entry level price range for the area. Which, I might add, consists mostly of properties that are in no better than average condition. IRL, the design/appeal are going to be strictly subordinate to utility for these buyers. Besides, you can quantify the effect of the design/appeal by comparing it to the *recent* sales other homes in similar condition/buildout. Sorry, amigo, you're not getting $200k out of that design, which is what you'd need to back down from condition and garage to get to your $800k "as is" for the subject.

Matter of fact, the more I look the more I wonder if maybe the first appraisal was a skosh too aggressive.
 
Based on the comps that you guys are saying are appropriate, you are basically saying that all four sales on the street on the most similar lots are outliers.

Also, how are you guys determining that the Clarks house does not have the alley in the back?
I'm saying the mid-2021 sales are dated and the 3 remodeled homes are wholly irrelevant to a C4 "as is" valuation. Irrelevant to the point of being grossly misleading. Which that's how you're getting to your $800k for this subject.

There's an alley but it isn't paved or graveled to that parcel. And there's no saying the city would allow its improvement on the casual basis. Maybe they would and maybe they wouldn't, but in any case that isn't going to get done for free, and neither is a parking pad or carport or a garage (because current development criteria applies) going to build itself.

If there was access don't you think the 2018 listing would have shown or mentioned it?

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There's an alley but it isn't paved or graveled to that parcel. If there was access don't you think the 2018 listing would have shown or mentioned it?

So you are assuming that there is no parking or parking is not possible. That is an unknown. The alley may or may not go through.
 
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