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Dairy profitability is more about herd size. Farmland prices likely have little bearing, except that those pasturing cows likely have half the productivity compared to intensively managed herds.
I had just been considering it from a barrier to entry perspective. It seems to me that, depending on the forage, you'd need ~ 1-2 acres per cow, right? So a prospective dairy owner is going to start with a 500 cow herd, that means ~ 750 acres. If land is $10k/acre, that's $7.5M. Amortized at 20 years (assuming one could get an amortizing loan) @ 7% would elicit a monthly payment of ~ $58k (assuming my 12C is working correctly and assuming no down payment). Just seems to me that creates a huge barrier that the dairy farmer who inherited his/her farm doesn't have to consider.
 
It's a little bit easier to buy after the kids are in school. Those years before kids are in school are really expensive.
Also, school districts are a big driver once kids reach school age. When I was in my 20's I lived in Federal Hill in Baltimore and had a great time and ended up buying a rowhouse and living there for 6 or 7 years. However, once it was time to settle down and have kids, it was time to go out to the burbs as there was zero chance I was sending my kid to the hellhole known as the Baltimore City schools.
 
The 70's was the tail end of the last time we saw a "roaring" economy.
Nothing in the 70s "roared" except energy prices. Inflation was high. My $2,500 69 Ford PU became a $5,500 75 PU and by 78 was $6,800... $12,000 in 1983. Job growth was weak especially when you realized all the baby boomers were looking for work - college educated and nothing to do.
 
a prospective dairy owner is going to start with a 500 cow herd, that means ~ 750 acres. I
The modern dairies are all feed lot cattle. They never see real grass much. The barns are designed to milk around the clock, the cows are fed haylage or silage. Grain in the milkers.
 
It's because we don't have any middle housing. Only choices are crappy apartments, oversized high-maintenance McMansions or tents. That and COVID money printer go burr (but it started before that). We have to start building middle housing that means redoing zoning:

Come to the Midwest. All kinds of mid housing.
 
The 70's was the tail end of the last time we saw a "roaring" economy. They raised the rate as high as they did to rein it in. You should know.. you were there.

I am happy to deal the 70's if you give me the 50's and 60's before that
Flacco, I was a teenager in the 1970's and can tell you that the economy in the 70's was anything but a roaring economy, in fact it was completely abysmal from at least 1972 until about 1982. The high interest rates during the 70's were not a result of an roaring economy at all as there was stagflation, which a combination of high inflation despite a stagnant economy. The causes of the stagflation were many....but some of the factors included the attempt to juice the economy in the late 1960's and early 1970's with very low interest rates to counter a recession under LBJ (which was great for my parents who bought a house in 1968 with a 4% mortgage) and to insure Nixon's re-election in 1972. Nixon further spent like crazy to try to juice the economy and all of this lead to inflation and huge government deficits, which forced the government to abandon the gold standard for the dollar, which caused more inflation, followed by the first oil shock in '72 or '73, which caused even more inlfation and just completed killed ceconomic activity. Additionally, the wind-down of the Vietnam war killed more economic activity (along with piling up more debt) and Nixon's disasterous wage and price controls further distored the economy and further killed economic momentum. In the meantime, the American railrod system was in the process of comletely fialing after years and years of disasterous over-regulation (leading to Amtrak and Conrail and the Amercian auto industry went into the toilet as they were producing low quality gas guzzlers that no body wanted any longer due to the price of gasoline doubling overnight at the same time that much lower priced, much more fuel efficient Japanese cars started hitting the US market in large quantities. On top of all that, the US stock market performed abysmally with the S&P 500 losing something on the order of 50% on an inflation adjusted basis.

The only people who made out during the 1970's, were people like my parents, who had bought a home prior to the 1970's and had steady jobs that they did not get laid off from. By the time that inflation was brought back under control in the early 1980's, that house that my parents bought for $28,000 had gone up in value by a factor of 6 as they were able to selll that house for $175,000 in the mid 1980's. I will never forget looking at my parents mortgage statement in the early 1980's when I was home on break from college and noticing that the monthly escrow payment for the proeprty taxes and insurance exceeded the P&I portion of the payment as the stagflation of the 1970's had reduced the value of the mortgage debt to a pittance - the P&I portiion of the monthly payment was someting on the order of $110 and the taxes and insurance were about $140 a month.
 
Flacco, I was a teenager in the 1970's and can tell you that the economy in the 70's was anything but a roaring economy, in fact it was completely abysmal from at least 1972 until about 1982. The high interest rates during the 70's were not a result of an roaring economy at all as there was stagflation, which a combination of high inflation despite a stagnant economy. The causes of the stagflation were many....but some of the factors included the attempt to juice the economy in the late 1960's and early 1970's with very low interest rates to counter a recession under LBJ (which was great for my parents who bought a house in 1968 with a 4% mortgage) and to insure Nixon's re-election in 1972. Nixon further spent like crazy to try to juice the economy and all of this lead to inflation and huge government deficits, which forced the government to abandon the gold standard for the dollar, which caused more inflation, followed by the first oil shock in '72 or '73, which caused even more inlfation and just completed killed ceconomic activity. Additionally, the wind-down of the Vietnam war killed more economic activity (along with piling up more debt) and Nixon's disasterous wage and price controls further distored the economy and further killed economic momentum. In the meantime, the American railrod system was in the process of comletely fialing after years and years of disasterous over-regulation (leading to Amtrak and Conrail and the Amercian auto industry went into the toilet as they were producing low quality gas guzzlers that no body wanted any longer due to the price of gasoline doubling overnight at the same time that much lower priced, much more fuel efficient Japanese cars started hitting the US market in large quantities. On top of all that, the US stock market performed abysmally with the S&P 500 losing something on the order of 50% on an inflation adjusted basis.

The only people who made out during the 1970's, were people like my parents, who had bought a home prior to the 1970's and had steady jobs that they did not get laid off from. By the time that inflation was brought back under control in the early 1980's, that house that my parents bought for $28,000 had gone up in value by a factor of 6 as they were able to selll that house for $175,000 in the mid 1980's. I will never forget looking at my parents mortgage statement in the early 1980's when I was home on break from college and noticing that the monthly escrow payment for the proeprty taxes and insurance exceeded the P&I portion of the payment as the stagflation of the 1970's had reduced the value of the mortgage debt to a pittance - the P&I portiion of the monthly payment was someting on the order of $110 and the taxes and insurance were about $140 a month.

I said 60's. And then somebody else brought up the 70's. And the stagflation of the 70's occurred following the "roaring" economy of the 50's and 60's.

If the 70's 4% GDP growth rate is stagnant, then what is the 2% we've had for the last 15 years?
 
I had just been considering it from a barrier to entry perspective. It seems to me that, depending on the forage, you'd need ~ 1-2 acres per cow, right? So a prospective dairy owner is going to start with a 500 cow herd, that means ~ 750 acres. If land is $10k/acre, that's $7.5M. Amortized at 20 years (assuming one could get an amortizing loan) @ 7% would elicit a monthly payment of ~ $58k (assuming my 12C is working correctly and assuming no down payment). Just seems to me that creates a huge barrier that the dairy farmer who inherited his/her farm doesn't have to consider.
A lot of the milk produced now is produced on huge industrialized mega-dairy feedlots which involve no foraging by the cows. Same thing for beef cattle....there is an infamous 800-acre beef cattle feedlot in California that has the capacity to hold and feed over 100,000 cows.
 
For past twenty years, Americans did not experience inflation over 3%.
Past few years, inflation has shocked the entitled Americans who never experienced high prices. They had it good for so many decades.
 
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