Cont. Ed. is a Joke

[BRCJR]

I wonder why appraisers do not have their MLS pay for their CE (or a good portion of it).
Find out if the MLS is paying for the agents CE. They contract with an in-person provider. The provider is paid the same amount for a few or many attendees.
Ask why your money does not cover CE as it does for the agents. Look at the MLS budget and see what is allocated for CE.

Guess why some of the MLS's I belong to have never paid for the CE of appraisers? Because nobody had ever asked. They have never refused to cover costs when I put a class together. Matter of fact they have printed handouts for me for free, too.

Problem is that few appraisers take advantage of free CE because it is inconvenient to come to a live class.

Go figure....

 

[Vermonter]

When I used to go in person, it was interesting to talk to other appraisers on a break. The discussion was usually a wash - 2 good questions and then 10 inane ones that we were stuck listening to.

This was my beef with in person classes......There was always that one Zoe or Fernando that sent the class off the rails.
It would just turn into a beoytch fest that had little to do with the material. The actual material we needed to learn would be rushed at the end because of it.

I'm a big proponent of online classes. Think I retain the material better without the distractions and side tangents of an in person class.

 

[sputnam]

What are some examples of USPAP violations that you see? How often do you disagree with the values?

I see reports that leave out the subject sales/transfer history or get it wrong (probably because they don't actually check). I see violations of SR 2-2(a)(xiii) regularly. A lot of violations of Highest and Best Use reporting requirements. There are others, of course..

Most of my reviews don't require me to agree, disagree, or state an opinion of value although, if the opinion of value isn't supported, I will flag that.

 

[djd09]

AI Overview



Ohio requires real estate appraisers to take a 7-hour Valuation Bias and Fair Housing Laws & Regulations course for their first renewal cycle starting in 2027 (or sooner for some 2026 renewals) and a 4-hour version every two years thereafter, in addition to USPAP, as part of their continuing education (CE) to address bias, fair housing, and cultural competency. Aspiring appraisers getting new credentials after Jan 1, 2026, need an 8-hour VB-FH course for qualifying education (QE).

they are still pushing the same propaganda...

 

[TerryRohrer]

Most of my reviews don't require me to agree, disagree, or state an opinion of value although, if the opinion of value isn't supported, I will flag that.

This isn't intended to be as snarky as it is going to sound, but what is the fundamental intent/purpose of these reviews? To limit buyback requests or some other administrative-type function? To be clear, I am all for holding all appraisers accountable for everything they are supposed to do from both regulatory and sound appraisal practice standpoints. But I would have thought a major consideration would have been whether or not values were credible, which I believe requires an appraiser in the subject market with access to the data any appraiser practicing in that market must have. Clearly, I don't understand the purpose for most reviews as I seldom have clients asking for such and willing to pay a reasonable fee.

 

[chad hampton]

AI Overview



Ohio requires real estate appraisers to take a 7-hour Valuation Bias and Fair Housing Laws & Regulations course for their first renewal cycle starting in 2027 (or sooner for some 2026 renewals) and a 4-hour version every two years thereafter, in addition to USPAP, as part of their continuing education (CE) to address bias, fair housing, and cultural competency. Aspiring appraisers getting new credentials after Jan 1, 2026, need an 8-hour VB-FH course for qualifying education (QE).

they are still pushing the same propaganda...

You’re racist. Have you heard from mej lately?

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[djd09]

mej is still missing in action...maybe the breakfast club got him

 

[Fernando]

When I used to go in person, it was interesting to talk to other appraisers on a break. The discussion was usually a wash - 2 good questions and then 10 inane ones that we were stuck listening to.

I use to go to live and hear appraisers complain about the profession.
Now I can sit at home and hear about it in AF.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

When appraisers get it right more than they do, then maybe appraisers could claim that taking a USPAP update every other year is a waste of time.

I think a lot of folks are confounding USPAP with FNMA and FHA regs. And, because some things seem intuitively unimportant, they desire to cut corners due to the lack of compensation.

I know someone will jump in saying that they saw a high fee, low quality report. So? If people are starving and told to produce an appointment within 24 hours and complete the report in another 24, quality suffers. No thought is put into the report and cloning reports to save time is so dismally bad, you can bet errors are in a lot of reports.

OTOH, our state once sent out a letter to all appraisers telling reviewers that they were turning in people with review reports that were themselves flawed and that for every violation of USPAP by the appraiser, there was a violation of USPAP by the reviewer.

USPAP is convoluted, obtuse language that supplements or changes a single 'thing' every two years and does so with no clear purpose, no real intent, just change for the sake of change.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

They’re really aren’t too many working appraisers who can take three days to go fly up to Chicago pay for a hotel meals and higher priced AI CE classes.

or get their car window smashed and items stolen like a couple of appraisers I knew did.

IT IS THE SAME MATERIAL!

Yes, but sometimes I learned more from other appraises or after hours at meals and bar room talk. The best class I ever had had about 8 topflight people presenting in a multi-association class of 15 hours spread over 3 days - afternoon, all day, then morning session. We also had a speaker at a dinner one night and students got to interact one on one with the presenters. True education over 20 years ago. Some online classes are "OK". McKissock's classes were the worst I've had. One on Manf. homes was simply a slide show, and the handouts was a paper copy of the slides. The instructor droned on while setting in a chair and punching the slide projector remote.

Math heavy classes cannot be easily done online and allow students to repeat an exercise then have the presenter to go point by point of the math solution. Some might have a way to email the instructor but his or her reply might be a day or two later.

Further, online classes discourage people to create and teach new information. So, we get the same old tripe, or it is created by McKissock and a handful of others. As for AI. The last class I took was over 10 years ago, but no small part of the class was the instructor/former president of AI defending the decision to exit TAF. I wasn't there for the politics. I had driven 600 miles to get taught about dealing with intangibles in an assignment. Do you think the state board would have did anything had I complained about it? I once took a class where the instructor got laryngitis the second day and by 2 pm was completely exhausted. He gave us a reading assignment and called it a day. Is that bad or just the way the ball bounces?

Guess why some of the MLS's I belong to have never paid for the CE of appraisers?

Well, our local MLS does have an excellent facility to hold a class, but I've not been in the building in 10 years. I assume it is still functional as a classroom.