Clarification from Newsletter

[cashcatz]

Did an appraisal years ago on a lovely house, owned by a young couple. He was a local firefigher, she was a stay at home mom.

I feel like there's more to this story, firefighter salary supporting stay at home mom only happens in Adam Sandler movies.

 

[lostinthezone]

I think they're trying to thread the needle between the people who say a degree is important and the people who say specific training is a bigger deal. So they are proposing that instead of a degree, that more education specific to appraiser processes be required. From their point of view, you would still have a rigorous education requirement, it just wouldn't be a degree outcome and the education would be specific to appraisal.

 

[cashcatz]

From their point of view, you would still have a rigorous education requirement, it just wouldn't be a degree outcome and the education would be specific to appraisal.

This is the way. The test is the test.

 

[J Grant]

Did an appraisal years ago on a lovely house, owned by a young couple. He was a local firefigher, she was a stay at home mom.

She followed me around during the inspection asking if I liked what I did, and how one becomes an appraiser.

At the time (that couple year mess with CR) you needed a 4 year degree for a CR, so I explained the classes, experience and 4 year degree prerequisite.

I said, "You can have a degree in basket weaving or pottery making, it really doesn't matter", and her EYES LIT UP.

We went out to the two car detached garage, opened the door with the wireless opener to reveal shelves FULL of bowls, plates and nick knacks and a KILN the size of a small truck, thanks to her university degree in fine arts, specializing in ceramics.

I'm on the side of the fence where the degree is WORTHLESS, and REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE is true knowledge in our industry.

I have never heard of a degree in basket weaving or pottery making. She had a fine arts degree! There are degrees in the creative arts, but a person also needs to take humanities and fulfill other credit requirements. The anti-education crowd making this kind of agrement won back in the day when they dropped the college requirement, and it's been downhill ever since. Happy?

REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE can apply in any field, and yet, nearly every profession requires a degree, and fields such as law enforcement and the military require a degree for officer rank and promotion. We are the only field where people were short-sighted enough to ask us to drop it. An appraiser who did not attend college was grandfathered in and would have benefited.

 

[J Grant]

I think they're trying to thread the needle between the people who say a degree is important and the people who say specific training is a bigger deal. So they are proposing that instead of a degree, that more education specific to appraiser processes be required. From their point of view, you would still have a rigorous education requirement, it just wouldn't be a degree outcome and the education would be specific to appraisal.

More specific training does not impart the kind of critical thinking and perspective that a four-year study of multiple subjects, including the humanities, gives. That is why so many diverse fields require a degree and THEN add specialized/field-specific training.

I see it here on the board, people who attended hours of appraisal and related coursework yet are stymied by any assignment condition where a problem crops up, and some truly do not grasp the fundamentals of appraising, even though they memorized enough to pass a test. How else to explain the clueless questions posted? And we get the people who bother to post - imagine the others.

 

[lostinthezone]

More specific training does not impart the kind of critical thinking and perspective that a four-year study of multiple subjects, including the humanities, gives. That is why so many diverse fields require a degree and THEN add specialized/field-specific training.

I see it here on the board, people who attended hours of appraisal and related coursework yet are stymied by any assignment condition where a problem crops up, and some truly do not grasp the fundamentals of appraising, even though they memorized enough to pass a test. How else to explain the clueless questions posted? And we get the people who bother to post - imagine the others.

Have you read the exposure draft? They specifically address your points within it. Some snips;

"The 2025 National Job Analysis confirmed that degree attainment did not correlate with better performance in appraisal practice. Instead, the strongest predictors of competency were appraisal-specific education, the ability to write a USPAP compliant appraisal report, and examination performance."

"The AQB paired this change with strengthened qualifying-education requirements and preparing to issue a more detailed Examination Content Outline. This will ensure that analytical and critical-thinking competencies traditionally associated with degree pathways are still validated through more targeted appraisal-specific learning and instruction."

In your second paragraph above, I think you're just making their point. The current criteria isn't working from what you're saying?

 

[Alsie35]

I feel like there's more to this story, firefighter salary supporting stay at home mom only happens in Adam Sandler movies.

Darn you Chase - every time you make me 'like' one of your posts I'm helping you to "close the slug. pct. gap" between us! Just darn you gosh-durn-it!!

 

[J Grant]

Have you read the exposure draft? They specifically address your points within it. Some snips;

"The 2025 National Job Analysis confirmed that degree attainment did not correlate with better performance in appraisal practice. Instead, the strongest predictors of competency were appraisal-specific education, the ability to write a USPAP compliant appraisal report, and examination performance."

"The AQB paired this change with strengthened qualifying-education requirements and preparing to issue a more detailed Examination Content Outline. This will ensure that analytical and critical-thinking competencies traditionally associated with degree pathways are still validated through more targeted appraisal-specific learning and instruction."

In your second paragraph above, I think you're just making their point. The current criteria isn't working from what you're saying?

They cherry-picked some 2025 National job analysis - what is that?

It's all about finding warm bodies to do low-paid AMC work, and they are having so much trouble finding people that they want to make it even easier to get into the field. Instead, they should clean up the field and offer professional-level pay and working conditions, instead of people groveling for an order with flea market-style bidding.

There must be a reason nearly every field except appraisal requires a college degree. It is hard to tell here who has a degree here and who does not and indeed some people are more intelligent, or who are excellent appraisers who never went to college. That is not the issue. The issue is a level playing field for entry, and at least if someone earned a degree, they showed they could apply themselves for four years and mater the material and could pass the exams.

PS - whoever was belittling ceramics - I don't; I do it, but know a little about it, it involves heat and chemistry, which is why it is taught and needs special equipment. Watch a kilm blow up lol and learn real fast -

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

No one (especially republicans) give a rat's a** about emissions.....

Especially when the emissions standards testers are subject to fraud, bribery, and incompetence but the tester gets to charge a pant load for those tests. Never mind the car makers are building the cars to not pollute. So, you pay $50 a year or so for a test that tests nothing. My state eliminated safety inspections entirely....why? Because they were a waste of time and no mechanics wanted to do them and all they did was see your lights and turn signals worked. Yet despite that fact, you don't see unsafe cars with no lights on the road. So, tell me how many of those emissions tests detected the VW diesel scandal cars years ago... hint. zero.

 

[Surf Cat]

Especially when the emissions standards testers are subject to fraud, bribery, and incompetence but the tester gets to charge a pant load for those tests. Never mind the car makers are building the cars to not pollute. So, you pay $50 a year or so for a test that tests nothing. My state eliminated safety inspections entirely....why? Because they were a waste of time and no mechanics wanted to do them and all they did was see your lights and turn signals worked. Yet despite that fact, you don't see unsafe cars with no lights on the road. So, tell me how many of those emissions tests detected the VW diesel scandal cars years ago... hint. zero.

My point Terrell, was that these emission test equipment providers ( which supposedly can be Jimmy rigged) don't want to be made irrelevant.... canceled from existence. At least they're fighting.... appraisers just lay like a rug to be walked all over.

Do you think it's okay not to have properties looked at and just loaned on? Do you think an appraisal is a good idea? Or, is Big Data good enough to wipe us from existence?