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Anyone complete a UAD 3.6 report ..... yet

It would be informative if we knew how long from start to finish to compete the new Abomination form.
Will be money loser for appraisers doing it for first time, or second time, .....or always unless fees go up.
With all the numbers, nonsense and lectures being thrown at us, one would think they would have arrived at a percentage and tell us, ie. “Based on 500 test runs the new form will take 30% longer than the current form.” My guess is they are nowhere near finished with their experimental clusterfukk and don’t have a clue.
 
On a different forum - about 30-days ago - I ran across an appraiser who was completing them..... anyone else ?
I will try to find the article for you guys.

My lenders have no idea what's coming IMO.
For-what-its-worth...I have talked to more than a couple of reviewers (4) - they are not happy either.

I took a "New UAD" class the other day - hoping for some enlightenment.....what a waste of time.
I haven't even looked at it yet. Last I knew my software provider was still promising to have the form ready by early next year so I haven't bothered.
 
Well, I am adding UAD 3.6 to my appraisal software. I am not that far into it and can only see that it will be enough work, even with help from AI. I already have it generating a UAD 3.6 report (very basic). But, it has already added a lot of code. I'll give it second priority, and will work on improving it when I get time.

Clearly, a UAD 3.6 system can ask you upfront a number of questions to determine what kind of report you need, and then supply you with a "dynamic form" that provides only the fields needed. There are a number of potential advantages to the UAD 3.6. Also, there is no limit to the number of extra feature variables you might want to add to the sales grid. To what extent existing vendors want to make use of these new features I don't know.

Historically old software like Alamode, Clickforms, ACI, have a LOT of crap and garbage I would do without. These systems go back 30 years! Some appraisers, for sure, are hooked on pulling in comps from other appraisers, using specific floorplan software, and so on. If it was there in the past (I used Alamode), and I was in a bind for time, I might have used certain plugins. But, honestly, it's risky data if you don't know the source. Anyway, I am not adding any of the plugins that I can think of. I'll leave it to users to get cost and income data from whatever source they want. If you want to do floorplans - get your own CAD software. Get your own Photoshop or whatever, I am only concerned with the essentials for doing highly accurate appraisals. But I will supply task and workflow construction, MARS support, the ability to do Narrative and UAD 3.6, residential, commercial, equipment, and maybe Ag. It all takes time. But I have my agents working on the side, and they are pretty darn good.
 
On a different forum - about 30-days ago - I ran across an appraiser who was completing them..... anyone else ?
I will try to find the article for you guys.

My lenders have no idea what's coming IMO.
For-what-its-worth...I have talked to more than a couple of reviewers (4) - they are not happy either.

I took a "New UAD" class the other day - hoping for some enlightenment.....what a waste of time.
I hope you can find the article because someone is blowing smoke. The first confirmed completion was 11/14/25 using SFREP software, and the second using AIVRE software earlier this month. My guess is he's messing around with the beta software releases, nothing wrong with that but I highly doubt he's completing 3.6 reports.
 
I see a lot of responses which essentially say "let's band together and not do these, the industry will respond to us". Come on. The bulk of appraisal orders go to skippys and large puppy mills who will do what they are told. If the handful of old timers still on this forum decide not to do them, the industry will not blink.

Folks, there is a reason SO many 1004s are getting done today, right now, for under $300 a pop. Figure out how to corral that crowd, maybe you stand a chance of shutting down 3.6. I'm taking the points on that though.

Now maybe other technical issues or the big players not liking the new format may change the course, but it won't be appraisers changing anything. We have so little impact in our industry anymore, it is laughable. If the money players want 3.6, they will have it. The industry decided years ago it did not care about quality, only price. The race to the bottom is nearing completion. And those who complete these 3.6 deals will be digging everyone's grave even faster. With all sincerity--good luck to those res. appraisers needing to earn their living by appraising come 2027.
 
I see a lot of responses which essentially say "let's band together and not do these, the industry will respond to us". Come on. The bulk of appraisal orders go to skippys and large puppy mills who will do what they are told. If the handful of old timers still on this forum decide not to do them, the industry will not blink.

Folks, there is a reason SO many 1004s are getting done today, right now, for under $300 a pop. Figure out how to corral that crowd, maybe you stand a chance of shutting down 3.6. I'm taking the points on that though.

Now maybe other technical issues or the big players not liking the new format may change the course, but it won't be appraisers changing anything. We have so little impact in our industry anymore, it is laughable. If the money players want 3.6, they will have it. The industry decided years ago it did not care about quality, only price. The race to the bottom is nearing completion. And those who complete these 3.6 deals will be digging everyone's grave even faster. With all sincerity--good luck to those res. appraisers needing to earn their living by appraising come 2027.

AI is causing a big reshuffle in the workforce over the next couple of years. Nobody knows very well at all how it is going to play out.

1. So, yes, in a sense, jobs are lost to AI agents who act as virtual actors. That is maybe limited in its impact. For example, I heard that many banks and government organizations that have been running on old COBOL programs for years now see AI as a way to efficiently update their existing COBOL to work better and solve some persistent issues. So, where there wasn't work, new work appears thanks to AI. And, that is to say, with subsidiaries spread through the world in places like the Philippines, Indonesia, and India, there is no way they are going to go through all the work to actually convert their widespread systems from COBOL to Angular and C# and AI infrastructure. - That would disrupt their systems beyond belief. But, eventually of course, in another 10-20 years, its hard to say where they wind up.

2. Manufacturing jobs will be lost where they actually inserted robots to do the work. But easier said than done. I takes time to get robots to work with sufficient skill to replace people. And AI and better computers are just as likely if not more so, to stimulate the growth of many skilled labor jobs.

It's too early to tell where it all winds up.

As far as the $300 URARs go - well the appraisals actually cost more than that. Now the money goes to inspectors, AMCs, software vendors and others. The appraisers themselves, as I think you actually hint, are really to blame. There are a lot of appraisers who can happily live on $300/appraisal as long as they can do 4+/day without a sweat. And some do a lot more than that. They are not really appraisers, they are business people who know how to make a profit. Some do quite well - and people in power seem to respect them more than real appraisers. Believe me! Even the Appraisal Institute bows down to companies who support them with cash ..... They really care about nothing more that keeping themselves on the "cash train" or whatever you want to call. - And it's the working appraisers in all cases who tolerate the "corrupt appraisal leadership." And that's one reason they keep lowering the standards.

Now my buddy here - Claude seems to understand everything quite well. He, or I should say "it," gets very excited at times when I give him old spreadsheets, and it often says, "Oh, this is indeed very rich information!" I have to seriously wonder whether Claude is going to take over appraisal. But, honestly, it needs guidance. Continual guidance. - Somebody with feet on the ground.
 
With all the numbers, nonsense and lectures being thrown at us, one would think they would have arrived at a percentage and tell us, ie. “Based on 500 test runs the new form will take 30% longer than the current form.” My guess is they are nowhere near finished with their experimental clusterfukk and don’t have a clue.
It all depends on how much higher appraisal fees will get to compensate for the additional work.
I foresee the insufficient fees will "force" many appraisers to "quit". Can't blame them.
When lenders find lack of appraisers, fees go up. I'd been in those periods when lenders can't find enough appraisers and I can get $1,000 fee.
It's the way appraisal business cycle works. The one who has more options and can stay in the sidelines and watch when it's the right time to get back into the game can make it work.
 
I foresee the insufficient fees will "force" many appraisers to "quit".
If that were true, it would already have happened. Like Overimprovement said:
Folks, there is a reason SO many 1004s are getting done today, right now, for under $300 a pop. Figure out how to corral that crowd, maybe you stand a chance of shutting down 3.6. I'm taking the points on that though.
Those same appraisers will be doing 3.6 on the cheap for the same reasons
 
All of you dopes can at least open 1 up, and try a few pages. And what i mean by only a few pages? Your mind will scream No to the 1 question on every page, then flip page, just like a book.
Just think of yourselves as an appraiser novel writer, but being paid cliff notes money.
 
It all depends on how much higher appraisal fees will get to compensate for the additional work.
I foresee the insufficient fees will "force" many appraisers to "quit". Can't blame them.
When lenders find lack of appraisers, fees go up. I'd been in those periods when lenders can't find enough appraisers and I can get $1,000 fee.
It's the way appraisal business cycle works. The one who has more options and can stay in the sidelines and watch when it's the right time to get back into the game can make it work.
They don't need appraisers. They only need data collectors. They will be trained and don't need a degree or license. This is a transition period and appraisers help with the data collecting during the transition.
 
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