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3.6 The promises, the predictions, the panic and the fight for the dwindling appraiser dollars

There are so many ways I can respond to this that would singe the hair off your head ... :ROFLMAO:

... But then I remember, you're just the messenger... ;)

... So I'll just repeat what I've been saying now for about 15 or so years: F the m****r-f******s who invented 'handheld devices' that destroyed the utility of the internet, contributed to the breakdown/dumbing down of human civilization and that are pushing humanity towards extinction ... F their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and the Marxist swines they rode into town on ... :mad:

And yes, I will be on my COMPUTER for as long as I can hold the mouse and click it! :beer::unsure::coolsmiley::rof:
A handheld device is just a small computer - we all have it on our iphone or ipad etc. The tech is not the problem, it is the greed of some who use the tech to devalue human labor and expertise.
 
For the appraisers who think fees will rise, there is an effort with AMCs, national staff firms, and portals to keep 3.6 fees the same or lower them, here's a little reading:

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Yeah, I can foresee this happening. UAD 3.6 could all but kill the traditional appraisal, especially if the rollout is bad.
 
THIS IS INTERESTING. I asked Grok: Well, if you had to redesign this (GSE/AMC/Mortgage/Lending) whole system from the ground up, would you design it the same way?

Grok: "No, I would not design the system in precisely the same way. While the current framework has proven effective at enforcing appraiser independence and supporting secondary-market liquidity, a ground-up redesign would prioritize greater centralization, technological integration, and cost efficiency while preserving—or strengthening—the core principle of separating valuation from loan production incentives. The existing lender-centric model with optional Appraisal Management Companies (AMCs) introduces unnecessary layers of cost and variability that a modernized system could largely eliminate without sacrificing safeguards.

Core Objectives of the Redesigned System​

Any redesign must balance four non-negotiable goals:

  • Independence: Eliminate any incentive for appraisers to inflate or suppress values to facilitate loan closings.
  • Accuracy and consistency: Leverage national data standards, analytics, and alternatives to traditional appraisals.
  • Efficiency and cost control: Minimize intermediaries, administrative burdens, and fees passed to borrowers.
  • Scalability and accountability: Align risk and responsibility with the entities best positioned to manage them (ultimately the GSEs, as guarantors).

Proposed Redesigned Architecture​

  1. Centralized Appraisal Platform Operated by the GSEs (or a Dedicated FHFA Subsidiary) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would jointly maintain (or outsource to a neutral technology provider under strict FHFA oversight) a single national ordering and management portal. Lenders would submit appraisal requests electronically with loan details but without influence over appraiser selection. Assignment would occur via an algorithm that randomizes or matches based solely on objective criteria: geographic proximity, appraiser expertise, current workload, and a rotating independence score. Compensation would flow directly from the GSEs to appraisers at a standardized, market-based fee schedule, funded transparently through lender pricing adjustments. This removes the lender–appraiser relationship entirely at the assignment stage.
  2. Elimination of Mandatory AMC Intermediation AMCs would remain available as optional service providers for lenders preferring outsourced administration, but they would no longer be the default compliance shield. Direct GSE management achieves the same (or superior) separation from production staff while reducing the typical 40–50% fee split that currently benefits AMCs rather than appraisers or borrowers. Empirical evidence from appraiser surveys and congressional testimony has long indicated that AMC layers often add cost without commensurate quality gains; a centralized model captures economies of scale that fragmented private AMCs cannot.
  3. Enhanced Technology and Risk-Based Valuation Tiering
    • All appraisals would conform to an expanded Uniform Appraisal Dataset and be submitted through an upgraded Uniform Collateral Data Portal.
    • GSE analytics (an evolved Collateral Underwriter) would perform automated quality scoring on every report, flagging issues for secondary review.
    • Default to non-traditional valuations where data supports them: automated valuation models (AVMs) for low-risk loans, hybrid/desktop appraisals with third-party property data collectors, or value-acceptance programs. Full interior inspections would be reserved for higher-risk or complex properties.
    • Blockchain or secure audit trails would document every assignment and communication to ensure immutable independence records.
  4. Oversight and Accountability Mechanisms
    • Appraisers would register on a single national panel (retaining state licensing but adding federal performance standards).
    • The GSEs would directly administer an expanded Appraiser Quality Monitoring program, with swift removal for repeated deficiencies.
    • Lenders would retain representations and warranties for loan eligibility and data accuracy but would be relieved of day-to-day appraisal compliance burdens. Repurchase risk would focus on material misrepresentations rather than procedural AIR violations.
    • FHFA would conduct annual independent audits of the portal’s randomization algorithm and conflict controls.

Rationale for Departing from the Current Design​

The existing lender-driven model was a pragmatic response to the 2008 crisis and Dodd-Frank’s focus on origination-stage conflicts. It correctly identified loan production staff as the primary source of pressure. However, it has resulted in persistent inefficiencies: duplicated compliance infrastructure across thousands of lenders, variable appraisal quality, inflated borrower costs, and slower adoption of technology. By contrast, the GSEs already possess the data infrastructure, national reach, and economic incentive (as ultimate risk bearers) to manage the process more uniformly and cost-effectively. Direct GSE involvement does not create new conflicts if selection is algorithmically blinded and oversight is robust; it merely relocates responsibility to the entity with the broadest view of market risk.

This approach would likely reduce appraisal fees by 20–40% (based on the elimination of AMC margins), accelerate turnaround times, improve geographic consistency, and accelerate the shift toward data-driven valuations—trends the GSEs are already pursuing incrementally. Implementation would require legislative or regulatory adjustments to AIR and GSE charters, but these are feasible within the existing conservatorship framework.

In summary, the redesigned system would retain the foundational independence principle and GSE oversight role but would streamline operations by centralizing administration at the secondary-market level. The current structure works, yet it reflects historical layering rather than optimal design for a 21st-century mortgage market. A ground-up approach would favor technology-enabled centralization to deliver lower costs, higher consistency, and equivalent—or better—protections for borrowers, lenders, and the housing finance system."
So basically the IVPI proposal, with a few additional performance integrations.

Your AI just suggested the IVPI proposal.

 
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (the GSEs) have been working on the Uniform Appraisal Dataset (UAD) 3.6 redesign and modernized forms since 2018.

8 years... :rof:
The new FHFA director forced the timeline when he ordered the absent 3000 ghost employees back to the desk.

Otherwise due to popular resistance 3.6 and other form redesigns were doa.

They can bark as many orders as they want. It does not mean the remaining independents will adopt the technology. Nor will it mean the appraisal software companies will keep up.

Alamode has reported there will no longer be a side by side view for all adjustable items in one page.

What is most likely to happen is a total quagmire, and lenders will stall, appraiser vendor service will not be available at scale, and a new 'waiver' will be issued. One that allows a traditional 1004 form to be used.

Once that happens you'll see everyone rush to the waiver and those appraisers thinking they're going to fee rake to the moon using 3.6 will be suddenly told the other guys are still doing full reports at our standard fees. They will not be the wiser and will dump inordinant amount of time into 3.6 while everyone else is coasting by with traditional tried and true process.

Here is the neat part about 3.6. Absolutely nobody anywhere else will be using this.

Be sure to save this image for future use, you'll need it.

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little Different angle on 3.6

In the USA we have an energy deficit . we also have power outages Since 3.6 is cloud based would appraisers have limited or no access to 3.6 sometimes.

Very possible. murphy's law

I lose my internet once in a while I just turn my phone into a hotspot. Sometime I lose my power . my laptop has a battery and I have a car battery to charge my cell phone
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I have been in the habit completing a s much of the work file i can before I ever go inspect'

The fact that has already come up is the lack of non-lender

Good to see jgrant was the first lab rat . and her comment
Going to need a paper printed form.

This tall tell they're telling; You will have to use a tablet, the form is interactive!

If I can remember a solid process pattern for the over 2,000 independent decisions I need to make to perform competent data research, fill the form, select comps, adjust, reconcile...

Pretty sure I can figure out what I'll need on a paper printed form that takes the entire possible drop downs, and fill out what I need. Wing the rest nobody cares anyways. All the need is the number.

No tablet required. If the clip board goes, I go with it. No exceptions.
 
I have not yet completed a UAD 3.6 report, and I’m not certain that I will. That’s not because I believe it will be impossible to adapt—our profession has always adjusted to change. My hesitation is more about what the long-term landscape may look like. There is a possibility that, over time, appraisal work could evolve into a model where the traditional, more routine assignments are reduced, leaving primarily the most complex and challenging cases. If that becomes the norm, the role could begin to resemble other professions where practitioners are consistently operating under high complexity, high scrutiny, and elevated stress. Some professionals thrive in that environment. However, it does raise a broader question: can the income structure and workflow realistically support a model where the majority of assignments require that level of intensity? I don’t have that answer, and I’m keeping an open mind as the rollout continues.

Right now, much of what we are seeing is limited to testing environments and early adopters. Eventually, this will scale to live production across millions of loans. How that transition performs in practice—both operationally and economically—remains to be seen. In a prior profession, we often referenced concepts like Murphy’s Law, the law of unintended consequences, and the idea that “everyone has a plan until they get hit.” Those weren’t cynical perspectives—just reminders that implementation in the real world often reveals things that planning alone cannot. I’ve made a genuine effort to stay neutral and objective about these changes. While I haven’t completed a 3.6 report yet, I remain open to learning how it works in practice. At the same time, if the future of lending appraisals becomes centered primarily on complex, high-intensity assignments, I may choose to step away from that segment of the profession.

That would be a personal decision—based on stage of life, family priorities, and a desire for a more balanced pace—not a criticism of the direction itself.
Agreed. I wrote several appraisal orgs in response to surveys and such. PAREA is a failed idea because they seek to artificially introduce new people, whom will immediately be subjected to the same market forces that prohibited training of people by qualified experienced appraisers.

You can't artificially create equivalent stable supply fulfillment by watering down skill requirements and automated process, while ignoring market pressures that make such training and fulfillment impossible in the first place.

I'm not even looking at the finished product for a while. I read all the technical specs and working group documents in detail last year. Just like the ANSI working group, they summarily ignored every single appraiser concern that would have led to an alternative approach or more well formed comprehensive product. They forgot combined net/gross adjustment indicators, a core principal of logical appraisal development. They spread the adjustment grid, which is a mathematical equation, into multiple sections. Who writes line item algebra across multiple pages and mixed lines, when it could otherwise fit into one place? Order of operations is doa with 3.6 as well.

I'm going to tell that story with rich writing strategy. Include it as an image attachment if I need, it will be there without a doubt. So will a traditional 1004 appraisal which I complete first, as an image attachment as well if needed. Then I'll butcher the work and somehow fill the 3.6. It will be quite important to take this type of approach so you don't look like an incompetent fool and expose yourself to never ending liability.

The real resistance happens in simply not being available. That's when form waivers come out and this process is delayed another year if not indefinitely. They can call to action and positive spin this nonsense as much as they want. This is a rare instance where appraisers are still actually in charge. If not enough people play along, the power of lender influence will reign supreme, and the need for continued production will supersede any 'mandatory timeline' that has been implemented on such an arbitrary basis.

Nobody else in any industry will be using 3.6. Not courts. Not irs. Not the board people whom will not have any experience with this. Not the IRS. Not independent legal. And the citizens dealing with this will have absolutely no clue or reference. The interactivity of the form will lead to immediate suspicion and speculation; 'Why does every appraisal look so different from the next'? The dream of 'standardized process' is likewise failing fast.

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That's an interesting post. I'm wondering how much expertise the HUD inspectors are expected to have.
Reason is, 2 weeks ago I did an pre-F/C appraisal on mfg house, and was given the report from the HUD inspector, who might also be the listing agent... I'm not sure. Anyhow, their PCR Property Condition Report sheet showed everything OK except for the missing water heater. Roof-OK. Siding-OK. Structure-OK. Kitchen, baths cabinetry, floors etc, all OK. ...really???...

As I approached the house I saw missing and raised shingles on the roof. NOT OK.
The stairs, ramp to back porch were so rotted, there wasn't a smooth or intact surface anywhere on it. Structurally unsound. NOT OK.
All the interior flooring was bad. Carpeted areas had fatal stains & dirt; the vinyl flooring was wrinkled up, missing or had holes in it a man could drop through into the crawlspace underneath. NOT OK.
Kitchen single arm faucet was missing the handle. NOT OK.
ALL the cabinetry was damaged and/or had missing doors and drawers. NOT OK.
The partially covered outlets had soot? where there had been an electrical fire in the box. NOT OK.
The exterior was no better: the siding had become smooshed in and paper thin where termites had eaten away the board-&-battan-look plywood exterior EVERYWHERE above the skirting. NOT OK.
I was surprised that even a foot-long chunk of wood laying at the opening of the crawlspace, which was absolutely riddled with termite grooves had not clued the "HUD Inspector" in that there were problems there.

How the heck did this inspector come to his written conclusions that everything was OK except for the missing HWH? Boggles the mind. What's the criteria to become a HUD Inspector? From what I have seen, the barrier must be extremely low.
HUD inspectors are; Anyone willing to work for bottom dollar rate for the parent FSM. Our primary long term reliable guy in CO just threw in the towel, is moving to florida to start his own FSM. Said; The compensation does not keep up and the fees are too low.

The new guys are some locksmith company. They're trashy too, throw the locks in the yard, don't clean up as well, loot everything in site. Then pass the entire PCR with some continuity test pass nonsense, fail the appliances. How exactly they're testing with the smart meter still hooked up and digitally turned off is anyones guess, but not really; they're cheating. The entire long form inspection is extra ordinarily easy to click through drop down and they are getting at times, more than the appraiser. Even though they zip through that in an hour flat and dial it in. There is no quality control for MM use FSM sourced HUD field inspectors. None. Whomever can do the job at the prescribed costs gets it. The FSM sources a sub, whom subs again, and they often sub again too. This is reminding me quite a bit of the ocwen process.

Everyone is dialing everything in at all times everywhere. **** is broken. The appraisal is the only thing getting meaningful review in the process, if they have time. Call what you need freely, do not be constrained by the HUD inspectors report, if you're lucky enough to see it.
 
I see they will work with independent contractors too. ...Hmmm..... thinkin'...
The AI generated 'alternative working path' suggestion is meaningless.

Talk to the pro agents in the space. The area and opportunity long since hollowed out.

You could make decent income as the cleanup crew, if you're o.k. with the most abhorent property conditions known to man. MCS always needs people, or one of them, I forget their names.

You have to clean the toilet too. There is likely to be no running water. That's what stopped me; the toilets.
 
For the amount of time going to/from the property, completing inspection and sending in the report, I'm guessing it would take less time than doing an appraisal from start to finish, including drive-time, research, photos, typing, (analyzing & thinking), potentially dealing with ROVs or 'missing info'. From what I've read, one could do 1 or 2 of these inspections per day... at? $300? $400?? I suspect they would send an ORDER, not fish for low-ball QUOTES. But I may be completely mistaken. Might be worth looking into though.
Depends on your location. If you're in a competing space, expect cost drive downs. You can't access that through the MM, you have to go through the FSM. They don't care, because you'll be soliciting a sub, or a sub of a subcontractor in any reasonably large metro area. The guy here whom quit the work said they would pay the small service fees but left the larger service fees and specialty follow up unpaid, he was doing both cleanup and inspections. Frigging quit and moved to another state.

Who you going to call for accountability? Nobody is the proper answer.
 
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