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ACI vs WinTotal

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couple of things

Kien Nguyen said:
Couple clients preferred ACI, but it is not easy to get the trial/demo to get a feel of the product.

Try to call them: office's closed, send email ... got a call back .. I couldn't talk ... It seems they (ACI) really needed to talk with customer first to qualify for Demo Disk ???

I have used Wintotal, ClickForm in the last few years... In my opinion, for the form feeder's purpose, both of them are fine... I don't use any fancy features of Alamode Xsites ... so no comment(s).

Can any one tell me how difficult or easy to learn/use the ACI ?
I have a "so so" background in programming ... hope it won't be difficult ?

Can I have both Wintotal and ACI in the same PC ? I have an "average" computer: Pentium 4 3.2 GHz, 2 gig RAM.

Thinking about using Lighthouse to convert Wintotal report to ACI, but read other post: it seems not a good idea.

Any other idea ?


When you call, ask for scott parks (I think he's still there-haven't had to talk to him for a while).

also, here's a link for a demo disk:

http://www.aciweb.com/demo_request.asp

As for having both ACI and wintotoal-the programs will work-its the apex versions that confilict. Maybe Robert or someone from apex can tell us how to make that work?
 
I am thinking to buy "Lighthouse"

I talked to Scott (ACI's Sale Rep) today, the whole ACI package's cost (even single user) is significant high (about $900 without eTract and Flood Map). I just renew Alamode's contract. Money is tight... number of jobs is limitted ...

I am leanning to buy only the Lighthouse conversion tool to convert Aurora Wintotal to Lighthouse format for particular clients.

Any one have "real bad" experience about Lighthouse ? I read other post, Someone (Michelle Best) said it (Lighthouse) is not too bad ... it could do the job right ?

I hated to let clients dictating my report's format, but there is not much work for us to have choices as in the past.
 
I hate Lighthouse. It is a gigantic PITA. I tried to get into a report today to change a minor typo. It wouldn't make the change. I ended up just PGF'ing the report to the customer. I went rounds with their tech support recently. I couldn't get reports to convert and alamode and ACI were pointing fingers at each other. ACI's tech support works bankers hours and I couldn't spend hours on the phone during working hours.
 
Three pages of ACI vs WinTotal????

You are kidding right???? Figures you put this in the ACI part of the forum so you are not getting a clear vote. As a forced ACI user want my opinion????

ACI has no biz being in biz. JIMO.:flowers:

Both Wintotal and Clickforms are amazing programs (disclaimer....I have not upgraded to Aurura or what ever the new program is called). To be honest I would have a really hard time deciding between WinTotal and Clickforms. They both have great advantages. BUT ACI?????? Oi Vey!!!! Why???????

I would list for you why ACI stinks but #1 it would take me all night & #2 I have gotten in trouble for it before. Those ACI users get really defensive when it comes to their inferior, obsolete, ridiculous, slow product and this thread is in the land of those wierdos ;) JK!!!!!.

Not to mention the bait and switch program they have going on "yeah sure our product only costs $X oh yeah but you have to pay $75 for a signature that you could easily do yourself and maps are not for free and Census info yeah, we charge for that too, Oh you want to add a tablet or a laptop??? Well that will be extra $$". Isn't it obvious????

When ever Pieter is home and he hears me swearing up a storm, the first thing out of his mouth is, "ACI again?????"!!!!! I don't get the love affair people have with ACI but I think it's like the Dodge vs Ford debate only ACI is a Pinto.:rof:

*****Edit.....another key is when you hear people talk about technical support and how great it is and how you don't have to wait on the phone.....yeah, steer away from those....why would you need technical support if your program worked correctly???? Again see my disclaimer b/c I know many had issues when Wintotal changed. But then again, would you change to a brand new product and be a free tester?? I'm Just saying........:shrug:
 
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I don't want to jump on ACI bashing wagon

At first, I think the way ACI charged for each component of their software package is ridiculous:
- The ACI's "form feeder" program ($399).
- Apex ($249) or Winsketch ($179)
- Location Map ($99)
- Digital Signature generation ($75) ... and so on.

I don't recall when I bought a car, I needed to buy wheels, then windshield, steering wheel, head lights etc ...

When we bought a software package, it should be able to perform the basic function. Can an appraiser complete a basic 1004 report with the basic $399 ACI program ??? The answer is definitely NO, other appraisal softwares which I have known and used always providing the basic capability for the customers. I also disappointed after a conversation with ACI's Sale Rep today, it's kind of "take it or leave it.." no intention to explain or try to make a sale.

I was forced to buy this software to retain the relationship with my clients, otherwise I would stay with Wintotal or Clickforms... some people don't like their sale's tactic or encountered the bugs while using them. I rarely have problem with those programs .. perhaps I did not use their fancy features ???

I just wished to hear that the Lighthouse does its job as expected, I am thinking to do all the work perfectly in Wintotal or Clickforms before feed in "Lighthouse" just for conversion and sending file to clients.

I still believed the locked PDF format is the safest way to protect the integrity of our reports, but do all of us have the luxury of select our choice ??? So I accepted it, $299 for the price of a conversion tool is too high but I will pay if it has the job done.

Please, tell me: Just for file conversion and send AI Ready file the "Lighthouse" will do the job.

KN
 
Kien Nguyen said:
At first, I think the way ACI charged for each component of their software package is ridiculous:
- The ACI's "form feeder" program ($399).
- Apex ($249) or Winsketch ($179)
- Location Map ($99)
- Digital Signature generation ($75) ... and so on.

I don't recall when I bought a car, I needed to buy wheels, then windshield, steering wheel, head lights etc ...

First of, ACI bashing bandwagon??? This seems to be a love fest for the people who LOVE ACI. (Come on now, you know I'm kidding.............kinda:rof: )

Second, did I mention the bait and switch????


Yeah guys I got this great software that actually sucks eggs but I will sell it to you for the low low cost of $X,
Great you bought it now I forgot to mention you need to pay for abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you don't mind, remember you did pay a low low cost to begin with. Oh yeah and sorry our softwares sucks eggs, I guess you will just have to deel with it. MWAAAA HAA HAA HAA!!!!!! :icon_evil:

Oh oh and when you actually pay for the things we force on you we will screw up your signature so bad that it looks unprofessional and you will have to call back multiple times to get it corrected and we still won't give two craps about how it looks so you will end up with a Charlie Brown signature in craon(how very professional), your location maps are completely useless and you will be FORCED to use Microsoft Streets and trips to make a decent looking location map that is actually accurate, Census data is all messed up and the flood maps are useless. Want me to go on???? Cause I have only touched the tip of the iceberg.

Guys!!!!! You should all be old enough now to know that you get what you pay for!!!!


(Now I am in trouble and I know it. These ACI guys can get really mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!):rof:
 
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Hmmm...OK

so some have had bad experiences with ACI. Me too, occasionally. The difference for me? When I would call about it, they fix it. If its a show stopper-something that actually affects work-they fix it right away. Now, while I would love to just buy software that just works for every machine and every task I want-this is real life, and the pc platform is so diverse that there will almost always be problems. The differences in support are generally in attitude and responsiveness.

I'm not going to bash any other softwares out there-their respective forums have already done that, better than I ever could-cause they actually use the software on a regular basis. And yes, each software package out there has its supporters as well as detractors. Lets just say that for us, ACI gets the job done.

ACI has the ability to import data available from MLS (though that's the newest, and least comprehensive as of yet in terms of the boards it supports), win2data, ndc, blue lime, data master, Landsafe Appraiserlink, and RealQuest. For mapping software, you can subscribe or you can use one of the stand alone mapping softwares. Apex integration of course, along with winsketch, and dc sketch.

It will work with both palm and pocket pc's. It has a very decent comps database available, one that can be populated as you close out of each appraisal, complete with photos. Even if you don't use track (ACI's database management program) for order entry, you can have report automagically fill out most of the same data every time you close a report.

Their people are great to work with most of the time (we all have our bad days, after all), and are very good at running down issues. If its a new one on them, they will work with you to reproduce the error if they can. I recently had a bad experience with a web update-they fixed it within a couple of days, and had a workaround for me in the meantime within two hours. It was an issue that probably 99.9 % of the users wouldn't have, ever-but they figured it out anyway, could reproduce it once I sent them an example, and had me working within a couple of hours of first seeing the error. That's really not bad-better than the days and weeks and sometimes months of non-responsiveness from other vendors I use-not appraisal related, generally speaking-where the first thought is generally to ignore you.

Personally, I think its nice that they don't automatically charge you for apex if you already have a licensed version. And the number of options available for use as a mapping program is pretty good-though delorme has made using their program pretty much unuseable now, that's not ACI's fault-the delorme program interface has become increasingly arcane.

Don't get me started on the signature generation-unlike some software out there, where you just insert a scanned signature, the sig function in ACI is password protected, and you can get a sig card filled out and back on extremely short notice. FWIW-I've had one from them since 1997, with no issues on the sigs.

Lastly-I think all of us would like to not be computer techs. And sometimes, being an appraiser, no matter what program you use, makes us feel like one, whether we want to or not. From the problems I've read about responsiveness, flakieness, or out and out bad releases, none of the vendors is immune from criticism. The rest is up to you and your working style. I like the integration options available with ACI, for sketches, mapping, and data integration. You may just want to have a form filler, with nothing extra. ACI allows you to do just that. So do some of the others, while some seem to want to get you onto the web, whether you want to go or not, just to manage your database. The final choice is yours.
 
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Bob, will have to agree with your analysis and end result.


Kate - nyquil - a gallon er two should do the trick........ROFL
 
Ah, Kate, seems you edited some of your naughty comments, the one about ACI users riding in the "short bus". For the record, I came in second in the "Reading the Dumb End of the Tape" event, Bingham took home the gold.

My guess is you've been using WinTotal for a long time and now have a mentor that wants you to use ACI. It's just the cost of doing business.

TC
 
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