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Look folks-I don't know where some of you are able to arrive at the conclusion that I am advocating that we sell our professional souls and produce only these less credible products. I am saying though-that our products should include at least the same ones that others less qualified are providing without any regulation. Let us compete(those who want to) for a market share of those products because after all who is better qualified to produce them better--us or realtors? If the lenders have a need or want for less poundage and they can sell them off or are willing to hold them in their own portfolio then let's quit trying to sell them something they don't want. In my view these realtors and other products have been and will continue to take food off of our tables---I don't know about you but I don't take too kindly to that! We have to stop trying to sell our gas guzzling products and sell some economy products. But we are at a competitive disadvantage because our production line(USPAP) is like a hang man's noose waiting to be slipped around our necks.

Imagine for a minute that there is no USPAP. Now who could provide the better BPO type product or whatever collateral support product--realtors, avms, or appraisers?
 
Look folks-I don't know where some of you are able to arrive at the conclusion that I am advocating that we sell our professional souls and produce only these less credible products. I am saying though-that our products should include at least the same ones that others less qualified are providing without any regulation. Let us compete(those who want to) for a market share of those products because after all who is better qualified to produce them better--us or realtors? If the lenders have a need or want for less poundage and they can sell them off or are willing to hold them in their own portfolio then let's quit trying to sell them something they don't want. In my view these realtors and other products have been and will continue to take food off of our tables---I don't know about you but I don't take too kindly to that! We have to stop trying to sell our gas guzzling products and sell some economy products. But we are at a competitive disadvantage because our production line(USPAP) is like a hang man's noose waiting to be slipped around our necks.

These two statements contradict one another. If you wish to produce a credible report yet you want to offer the same product the less qualified are providing without any regulation ... how can it be at all possible?
Sandy we are bound by USPAP .. they arent ... therein lies the disconnect.
If you are advocating the dumbing down of USPAP to allow the same product of the less qualified .. you are selling your soul and arguing for the selling of mine as well. No thanks.

If you wish to do BPOs ... turn in your license, get a new one as a broker, and work your less than qualified heart do death.
 
So I guess what I am trying to say is that things have changed dramatically since the good ole days when apraisers and lenders were all local and loans were made locally-the value of an appraisers' services or appraisal products with the poundage behind them is no longer as marketable as it once was. Yes, I hope like heck that things will change but if was ever going to change it better be now and it will ost likely be never.

Sandy, you have the key to the future of "the" appraiser in your grasp. "things have changed dramatically since the good ole days when apraisers and lenders were all local and loans were made locally": This statement is the crux of our dilemma.

Without a real relationship in place with the people you're doing business with marketing locally is a waste of time. Sure, you'll pick up a new client. Hell, you may even pick up ten new clients. The problem comes when you don't make value. They don't care why. They just want you to hit the value. So, inevitably you'll lose those clients you were able to market. It doesn't matter if you provide a 12 hour turn time and thorough appraisals, a below market fee, if you bend over backwards to meet their demands, say yes sir, no ma'am, gold leaf their toilets and kiss their asses. If you don't make value they find someone that will. So your local marketing dollar, imo, is a waste of money. A real relationship, and what I mean by that is a relationship built on respect and mutual admiration is hard, extremely hard to come by. I know of an owner of a mortgage company who went to college with an appraiser here in town. They are good friends. They have a "real relationship". The mortgage company's owner always gives first shot to his friend and when his friend doesn't make value he gives it to an appraiser that will. But his friend always has his business first. How does one develop such a relationship? I don't know. It's near impossible and prohibitively expensive.

The same can be said of the national lenders but, the difference is they don't care about the relationship, only the performance of the appraisal. Unfortunately, the independent appraiser doesn't have the ability to market nationally. The internet makes it possible to market nationally but, still only if they're looking for you. Real marketing is getting your name right in front of them and on a national level, even locally, it's expensive. This, of course is where the AMC's come in. They provide that interface enabling the national lenders to find a service provider for an appraisal. An independent appraiser, a one or two man shop, can't compete with that. I really think the day of the independent small appraisal shop is numbered and theres more days behind us than in front of us.

The only way to survive, at least as a residential appraiser is to consolidate or go work for a large firm, imo.
 
The overhead a licensed appraiser has vs a broker spitting out BPO's is partly a function of your state rules and regulations. It may be a function of USPAP in so much as it takes a bit more mental overhead during the process to make sure what you are doing can't easily be construed to violate USPAP.

Then, there is the record keeping rule. It can be minimized by using electronic records, with PDF, a super fast scanner, etc. Basically, it is like an upstart hamburger chain that happens to be subject to the equivalent of USPAP, competing with McDonalds.

I can see the discount competitor having to train its English as a second language workers to record temperature and time of the burger cooker and enter it in a 5 year log, while having not so often, but sometimes overly thorough audits by the health department to see if the hamburger temperature record logs match the incoming inventory logs minus the scrap/waste log entries.

And, lets not forget the coffee temperature and time life of average pot log. The whole process might boil down to an extra 75 cents an hour in human capital cost, probably enough to keep the competing chain's growth stunted, or worse.
 
Mentor:

Don't forget the $300 minimum USPAP fines appraisers are subject to that the realtors aren't subject to.
It is hard to believe that those of you that have worked so hard for so many years and are so much more qualified are sitting back and letting these yo yos take food off of your table while those that regulate you not only condone the stealing but actually make it harder for you to compete.
 
Mentor:

Don't forget the $300 minimum USPAP fines appraisers are subject to that the realtors aren't subject to.
It is hard to believe that those of you that have worked so hard for so many years and are so much more qualified are sitting back and letting these yo yos take food off of your table while those that regulate you not only condone the stealing but actually make it harder for you to compete.

None of these yo-yos is taking food off my plate.

FTR - again - I have no dispute with you over there being a problem with real estate agents getting to do appraisals while calling them something else. But, the solution isn't to devalue our profession further, it is for them not to be able to operate as appraisers when they are not.

You can produce, if you so desire, a product to compete with them and comply with USPAP. I cannot understand why anyone would want to compete for the ludicrous fees that they get for these products, but it doesn't take an overhaul of our standards to do it.
 
Stone: I hear ya-but to some extent the danger of allowing others to continue to encroach more and more and more upon your territory can be real. At some point ya gotta go after the squatters or they will end up owning your territory. It is likely different for you as a general appraiser-less if any encroachment on your territory.
 
Stone: I hear ya-but to some extent the danger of allowing others to continue to encroach more and more and more upon your territory can be real. At some point ya gotta go after the squatters or they will end up owning your territory. It is likely different for you as a general appraiser-less if any encroachment on your territory.


Sandy you bring up an interesting point and Id like to hear your thoughts on exactly how one goes after the squatters and those encroaching on ones territory. What are your suggestions to keep this from happening?
 
take food off of your table while those that regulate you not only condone the stealing but actually make it harder for you to compete.


Sandy I have read many of your comments over the past couple days here. Question since you are located here in Florida.. If you truly believe, you believe some of what you have been saying here. I feel sure you have not sat in on one of the FREAB discipline meetings in Orlando.

Though I have been to a number no I will not be able to make Mondays meeting. I do think it would do you some good to go and watch and learn you will learn more in one day than 30 CE hours though, I think you get credit for only 5.
If you can not make it Please take the time to either watch or listen on line.
 
Sandy I have read many of your comments over the past couple days here. Question since you are located here in Florida.. If you truly believe, you believe some of what you have been saying here. I feel sure you have not sat in on one of the FREAB discipline meetings in Orlando.

Though I have been to a number no I will not be able to make Mondays meeting. I do think it would do you some good to go and watch and learn you will learn more in one day than 30 CE hours though, I think you get credit for only 5.
If you can not make it Please take the time to either watch or listen on line.

Would you mind clarifying your point for the rest of us "not in FL" readers?
 
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