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Adding AMC's to E&O as an additional certificate holder

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Tell them you will not agree to this. It's inappropriate, not industry standard, and it is likely they are requesting the wrong type of certificate for the type of work you're doing for them.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_CG2010_1185_provide_coverage_for_completed_operations

I totally agree, but I have been asked by two AMC's for this and I no longer get work from them. That can only mean one thing, other appraiser's are doing it and if they are doing it, then it's only a matter of time before many more AMC's are doing it. These stupid appraisers should get out of this industry. We need an organization to report this stuff to who will actually do something about it. This would never happen to realtors as members of NAR.
 
Adding an AMC as an Additional Insured or Certificate Holder

I'll disclose first that I'm an attorney for an E&O administrator. The posters who have said that adding the AMC as a "certificate holder" can mean different things are correct. In the context of appraiser E&O insurance, it can either mean that a certificate of insurance is issued to the AMC to evidence the appraiser's coverage (not too big of a deal unless many clients demand it) or mean the equivalent of adding the AMC as an additional insured (a much bigger deal). It depends on what the AMC is really asking for -- as some posters have noted. Unfortunately, many AMC contracts are poorly worded and it's not possible to determine what the AMCs really want. Worse, some AMCs can't explain what they want when I ask them. One of the reasons is that some AMCs copy each others' agreements without much thought and then try tweaking them here and there without relevant knowledge.

I think all reputable E&O companies selling to appraisers would refuse to add an AMC as a true "additional insured" to an individual appraiser's E&O policy. There are several reasons. I'll focus on just a couple points here. First, the professional work that the appraiser's E&O policy insures is the professional work of the appraiser and only that appraiser's work -- it doesn't insure services by the AMC or even the type of service that the AMC provides ("appraisal management"). The policy also exists for the main purpose of defending the appraiser against claims by parties like AMCs. Also, the premium that the insurance carrier charges is not intended or designed to cover the additional risk and cost of providing coverage for potential claims against the AMC. (The reason for much of the misunderstanding here is due to the fact that adding additional insureds such as a landlord to a general liability policy -- as opposed to a professional liability policy -- is a much different matter and is routinely done because the same concerns do not arise.)

If appraisers are actually signing contractor agreements with AMCs that require AMCs to be added as "additional insureds," it probably means that the AMCs aren't following through to make sure that this actually occurs or that the AMCs are satisfied when they see a "certificate of insurance" either because that's what they really wanted or don't know the difference.

One of the latest wrinkles I've seen in AMC contractor agreements comes from CoreLogic's new agreement. This agreement is a poster-child for poor legal drafting. I'll leave the details for a long article, but as to the insurance issue this agreement says: "Appraiser shall carry and maintain in force at all times and at Appraiser’s expense, during the term of this Agreement (and, to the extent that any insurance is carried on a claims made basis, for such period thereafter that claims may be legally made with respect to occurrences during the term)". If an appraiser intends to comply with this agreement, the appraiser must basically keep in place their E&O insurance forever in many states because in most states "claims may be legally made" forever -- even if a statute of limitations does apply, the statute is an affirmative defense that must be asserted. The statute does not prevent a claim from being "legally made." Moreover, if we assume that CoreLogic really means for as long as any relevant statute of limitations period, in many states the statute of limitations does not begin to run until the plaintiff discovers or should have discovered the alleged error by the appraiser. There are many more flaws in the agreement that show wrong-headed thinking. (I'll also add that, in my experience, unfair and commercially unreasonable AMC appraiser contracts lead AMCs to have -- overall -- lower quality appraiser panels on average than AMCs which have more reasonable terms.)

It is true that local, state and government agencies (like redevelopment agencies and airport authorities) are many times added to appraiser E&O policies as additional insureds. This is done carefully and with thought to the issues involved. These types of agencies are also very different clients than AMCs.

Thanks,
Peter Christensen
 
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Thank you, Privateer, for adding some insight to this. I've had several AMCs make the request - and what they really wanted was to be notified by the E & O carrier if a policy is terminated.

I have no problem with that because I remember reading somewhere of an appraiser who would get the binder, send that out and then cancel the policy. I suppose they are only protecting themselves. However, these same AMCs were REO AMCs paying ridiculous fees and making demands for other types of insurance which I have no intention of carrying. I declined to sign with them more over their fees and demands for other types of insurance.

For the AMCs who are asking for this, it speaks reams to me about the quality of appraiser they are hiring. They really ought to try hiring professionals who are ethical and competent. No appraiser I personally know would pull the stunt of getting a binder, canceling the policy and deliberately lying to clients about their coverage.
 
Does anyone even pass out business cards any more or do any marketing at all.
No and no, and my market is not large enough to survive on non-AMC work either.
when I am busy, i pass out my competitors business cards. I pass out mouse pads for my clients...my website address is on their desk at all times.


The certificate is so the insurance company would be notified if you drop insurance. Additional insurer will mean they are co-insured and my E & O charges for that. Also, General Liability is to cover any damage you might do to the properties you are appraising. it often is a simple attachment to an auto or business insurance policy. There is often a "Hold Blameless" clause where you are supposed to defend them via your Gen Liability should you hit someone's house, beat their Chinese Ming Dynasty Vase, etc. and name both you and the bank (or AMC) as the defendant. I sign 'em.
 
<....snip....> The certificate is so the insurance company would be notified if you drop insurance. <...snip...>

Either you were thinking of two different insurance companies.. or you needed a bit more coffee prior to posting... ;)
 
Privateer, thanks for posting. That is an intersting read.. ;)
 
Why Here's Why

Contact your specific E & O company (The one you actually have) and get their take on it. In fact send them the SPECFIC request fronm SPECIFIC Client request, as words & sentence structure can be very debatable in court of law.

Why is it everyone seems to be upset with Fees, yet many don't want to ask questions to the one they probably pay the highest fee to. (Next to Health Insurance)

Appraisers are afraid their E&O will go up or be terminated. so must of them avoid talking to them.

The big thing going on now is lenders are trying to sue the appraisers E&O to recoup their bad lending decisions.
 
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