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AIVRE will steal your data to train AI.

Trihard

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I would highly encourage everyone to read the AIVRE terms of service. Everything in there is all that is wrong with the appraisal industry in 2026. You will own nothing and your data will be used by them to kick you out of the industry. They will even steal all your photos, workfile and any analysis made by the appraiser. Anytime you enter any information into AIVRE they own it. Here is a small portion of their terms of service. Be really careful with these scum.


"AI Training and Model Improvement Rights. You acknowledge and agree that Provider may use Customer Data, AI Customer Input, AI Customer Output, Aggregated Statistics, Derived Data, Feedback, system activity, user interactions, corrections, validations, quality control activity, appraisal report activity, property data, comparable data, public record data, listing data, image data, workfile data, and other data or information processed through or generated by the Services to train, fine-tune, validate, test, benchmark, evaluate, monitor, optimize, improve, retrain, develop, and commercialize AI Technology, machine learning models, computer vision models, natural language models, automated valuation tools, compliance tools, quality control tools, appraisal workflow tools, analytics tools, and other models, systems, and technologies."

"No Compensation, Approval, or Revenue Participation. You acknowledge and agree that Provider may exercise the rights described in these Terms of Use without any obligation to provide notice, attribution, accounting, compensation, royalties, revenue sharing, license fees, ownership interest, approval rights, audit rights, opt-out rights, or other participation rights to you or any authorized user, except to the extent expressly required by a separate written agreement signed by Provider. You further acknowledge that Provider’s development, use, commercialization, licensing, sale, distribution, or other exploitation of Aggregated Statistics, Derived Data, Data Products, AI Technology, model improvements, benchmarks, scores, indices, analytics, or other Provider IP shall not give rise to any claim by you for unjust enrichment, misappropriation, implied license, joint ownership, fiduciary duty, partnership, accounting, compensation, or other similar claim."
 
I would highly encourage everyone to read the AIVRE terms of service. Everything in there is all that is wrong with the appraisal industry in 2026. You will own nothing and your data will be used by them to kick you out of the industry. They will even steal all your photos, workfile and any analysis made by the appraiser. Anytime you enter any information into AIVRE they own it. Here is a small portion of their terms of service. Be really careful with these scum.


"AI Training and Model Improvement Rights. You acknowledge and agree that Provider may use Customer Data, AI Customer Input, AI Customer Output, Aggregated Statistics, Derived Data, Feedback, system activity, user interactions, corrections, validations, quality control activity, appraisal report activity, property data, comparable data, public record data, listing data, image data, workfile data, and other data or information processed through or generated by the Services to train, fine-tune, validate, test, benchmark, evaluate, monitor, optimize, improve, retrain, develop, and commercialize AI Technology, machine learning models, computer vision models, natural language models, automated valuation tools, compliance tools, quality control tools, appraisal workflow tools, analytics tools, and other models, systems, and technologies."

"No Compensation, Approval, or Revenue Participation. You acknowledge and agree that Provider may exercise the rights described in these Terms of Use without any obligation to provide notice, attribution, accounting, compensation, royalties, revenue sharing, license fees, ownership interest, approval rights, audit rights, opt-out rights, or other participation rights to you or any authorized user, except to the extent expressly required by a separate written agreement signed by Provider. You further acknowledge that Provider’s development, use, commercialization, licensing, sale, distribution, or other exploitation of Aggregated Statistics, Derived Data, Data Products, AI Technology, model improvements, benchmarks, scores, indices, analytics, or other Provider IP shall not give rise to any claim by you for unjust enrichment, misappropriation, implied license, joint ownership, fiduciary duty, partnership, accounting, compensation, or other similar claim."
Thanks for posting this!

I never had any interest in switching to AIVRE, but good intel for people who seem awestruck by their spin.
 
I don't 100% agree with OP argument. If they are mining our data in order to get rid of us, where will they mine the data when we are gone? In general, I see their point. It is not anything the GSEs aren't already doing. I think AIVRE will be selling mined data just like CORELOGIC, et al have been doing for years. Again, if they extinguish the data miners, there is no data to mine and sell.......
 
There is a point where the validity of the data won't matter. The GSE models will control the pricing function once provided by the market, and can be tweaked as needed to control profits, bonuses, campaign contributions, and market share. No one else will have the resources to collect actual data by which to refute their massive collection. The function of the new data points included in these new appraisals will not improve modeling much, if any, but will suggest an appearance of accuracy and sophistication that doesn't exist in reality (hence the need for "artificial intelligence"). The only thing missing after another decade or two will be new construction, and you can bet builders will be more than happy to supply whatever it takes to get the first loan approved on their asset. At that point, the system will be closed and self-perpetuating, and outsiders will neither be needed or welcomed.
 
There is a point where the validity of the data won't matter. The GSE models will control the pricing function once provided by the market, and can be tweaked as needed to control profits, bonuses, campaign contributions, and market share. No one else will have the resources to collect actual data by which to refute their massive collection. The function of the new data points included in these new appraisals will not improve modeling much, if any, but will suggest an appearance of accuracy and sophistication that doesn't exist in reality (hence the need for "artificial intelligence"). The only thing missing after another decade or two will be new construction, and you can bet builders will be more than happy to supply whatever it takes to get the first loan approved on their asset. At that point, the system will be closed and self-perpetuating, and outsiders will neither be needed or welcomed.
It's already happening here in AZ. First few sales in new subdivision get appraised, the rest are all waivers. Note that the waivers are obtained by the the builder's mortgage subsidiary.....
 
It's already happening here in AZ. First few sales in new subdivision get appraised, the rest are all waivers. Note that the waivers are obtained by the the builder's mortgage subsidiary.....
The sewer is for rats!
 
It's already happening here in AZ. First few sales in new subdivision get appraised, the rest are all waivers. Note that the waivers are obtained by the the builder's mortgage subsidiary.....
Interesting that the waiver rate was so high on purchases (at least I assume they're purchases in a new subdivision). It was/is my understanding that purchase waivers are only in the 10-15% range.
 
what...the gse's lying about their waiver program is like saying rain is wet...look at all that overpriced junk :rof:
 
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