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All Solar, Et Al, In 12 Years?

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How close are we to peak electricity prices?

Residential rooftop solar enjoyed 50-percent annual growth in 2012, 2013 and 2014, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association. That rise of solar PV has eroded the energy sales of certain utilities.

In response, some are fighting back, proposing new charges to preserve revenue. One recently succeeded.

Salt River Project, one of Arizona’s largest utilities, finally succeeded Feb. 27 where nearly two dozen others failed in the past three years: It won the right to impose new demand charges  —  an average of $50 per month  —  on grid-tied customers who produce their own solar power. (Although a recent anti-trust lawsuit brought by SolarCity suggests forthcoming chapters in this ongoing story.)

Why the persistent push from certain utilities for such new charges? Because some see solar and other customer-sited technologies as a threat to their traditional business model  —  and they’re right to worry.

According to a new analysis from RMI with HOMER Energy and other partners, customer “load defection”  — customers’ shift from getting electricity from their utility to getting electricity from solar panels on their roofs  —  could become much bigger in the near future, especially when solar is paired with battery energy storage.

“The increasing adoption of solar-plus-battery systems along with other customer-centric distributed energy resources is going to present a huge challenge to regulatory constructs and utility business models,” said Leia Guccione, a manager with RMI’s electricity practice and coauthor of the new report “The Economics of Load Defection.” “The future looks a lot different than the way utilities have served their customers for the past 100 years.”

At the core of this new analysis are two basic trends: retail electricity from the grid is getting more expensive; and costs for solar and battery technologies rapidly are declining.

But when and where in the U.S. might those two curves cross? And how many customers and how much in electricity sales is at stake? The answer: a lot.

RMI’s analysis shows that in the Northeast U.S. alone, up to 50 percent of residential and 60 percent of commercial electricity customers could be “in the money” with grid-connected, solar-plus-battery systems by 2030, just 15 years away. This would represent defection of 140 million kilowatt-hours (kWh) and $35 billion in utility energy sales per year if customer adoption followed optimal economics.

“The amount of load that’s at stake, the amount of kWh sales, it’s a lot of money,” said James Mandel, a principal in RMI’s electricity practice and another coauthor of the report.

“It can be scary to think about how significant that difference is,” added Guccione.

This new analysis follows on 2014’s “The Economics of Grid Defection,” which examined when and where it would be cost-effective for customers to cut the cord with their utility entirely through off-grid, solar-plus-battery systems. However, true grid defection is unlikely for many customers.

It’ll take more than pure economics to persuade them to make such a big shift in their electric service. That wouldn’t be an ideal outcome anyway for a whole host of reasons, including, for one, the extra cost of oversizing the system to offer standalone assurance and the inability to provide value and services back to the grid, as they’re no longer connected to it.

Beyond secondary values such as backup power, batteries have important benefits for rooftop solar grid integration, especially in places where customer adoption is high, such as California and Hawaii. And so “The Economics of Load Defection” explored a far more probable scenario: Customers will keep their utility, but they’ll also invest in grid-connected solar-plus-battery systems.

That grid connection is crucial to the equation. With the grid as a confident backup for customers, they can more optimally size the solar-plus-battery system, making it smaller, cheaper and thus cost-effective for more customers in more places sooner.

“That’s much more attractive to customers,” said Guccione. “It’s a lot more likely that they’re going to invest in that kind of system.”

Peak prices
But what does all this mean for an individual customer such as you or me? Simple: peak price (not to be confused with on- and off-peak rates for customers on a time-of-use rate structure with their utility).

If you’re like the overwhelming majority of electricity customers in the U.S. today, you pay a monthly electricity bill to your utility.

Meanwhile, because solar-plus-battery systems have rapidly falling costs and essentially zero operating costs over their 20-plus-year lifetime (the sun’s rays arrive on your rooftop for free), customers who invest in these systems can insulate themselves from rising retail prices, effectively locking in a peak electricity price.

http://www.greenbiz.com/article/how-close-are-we-peak-electricity-prices

If you are connected to the grid, no matter how little you use, there will be a rising minimum charge and a solar tax the utility will levy to make up for the revenue it needs to be in existence.
 
BS alert - BS alert - BS alert

A CCA would let Encinitas bypass San Diego Gas & Electric to purchase its energy directly from providers. Proponents of the model say it gives communities the flexibility to boost green energy power, improving upon SDG&E’s model, in which about one-third of electricity comes from renewables.

In 2010, Marin County launched the state’s first CCA, which claims to deliver more than double the renewable energy than the local utility — and at a slightly reduced cost to customers.

Two attempts to form CCAs in San Francisco and the San Joaquin Valley have stalled, with both facing opposition from the utility Pacific Gas and Electric Company. It has argued that the areas face a large financial liability if CCAs are approved..

The money is in the ownership of the grid.
A few may have dissented, but that grid still needs to be maintained, just as HOs with solar panels are finding out.

You can buy power from Niagara Falls,
But to get it to you, you have to use my lines and poles, which I can charge anything I want, and make it all "maintenance" claims.

If it's really about "the people" the municipalities would install, own and maintain the poles and wires. That would reduce what the utility could charge for monthly to only what electricity was bought from them.

But it's not about "the people", ever.

Face Book might have made a billion dollars, but it's the phone and cable companies that made 20 times that for you to use their lines to look at face book.

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What is being done, is a dismantling of a whole power infrastructure. Sure, the grid is the only part left for the utility but it does not control pricing. It is transport only where cost are allocated back onto the end user of power. It goes to the economic axiom that the value of the sum of the parts is greater than the value of the whole. The end user is being duped. And the power producers are being converted over to more expensive, unreliable power in the name of green energy.

AT&T Mkt cap 211.9B
Facebook Mkt cap 270.6B
 
Facebook Mkt cap 270.6B
AT&T Mkt cap 211.9B
:rof:
and mkt cap for Verizon,
and mkt cap for comcast
and mkt cap for blue ridge
and mkt cap for Pioneer
and mkt cap for Sprint
and mkt cap for Warner cable
and on, and on, and on.
 
internet is one thing, TV another, telephone another, etc.

For example, I have Time Warner Cable. They make the vast majority of their money from cable TV. I get 50 Mbits/sec Internet for $50, their Preferred TV package + Internet + phone = $140.

FaceBook is 100% Internet access.

Breakdown market cap by Internet revenue for those companies you cite.

Or, total all Internet businesses like Amazon, Twitter, Link-In, Google, Facebook, etc. Those market caps total more than all communication company's' market cap.
 
internet is one thing, TV another, telephone another, etc.

For example, I have Time Warner Cable. They make the vast majority of their money from cable TV. I get 50 Mbits/sec Internet for $50, their Preferred TV package + Internet + phone = $140.

FaceBook is 100% Internet access.

Breakdown market cap by Internet revenue for those companies you cite.

Or, total all Internet businesses like Amazon, Twitter, Link-In, Google, Facebook, etc. Those market caps total more than all communication company's' market cap.

I don't have the numbers to break out, but,
I can look for evidence in the recent net neutrality rules and see who was screaming the loudest.

It wasn't the Amazon, Twitter, Link-In, Google, Facebook, etc. crew who benefit from people having open affordable internet access. it was the providers of the access that were/are screaming the loudest.

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I don't have the numbers to break out, but,
I can look for evidence in the recent net neutrality rules and see who was screaming the loudest.

It wasn't the Amazon, Twitter, Link-In, Google, Facebook, etc. crew who benefit from people having open affordable internet access. it was the providers of the access that were/are screaming the loudest.

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Money talks ... the rest is noise, does not mean value. Improving the Internet infrastructure and not being able to charge a premium or pass that cost on is the problem that will eventually affect TV over the Internet or streaming video. The phone companies are particularly vulnerable because they are not fiber optics. AT&T just bought Direct TV for a reason. They are doing TV with U-Verse which uses the twisted pair phone line to deliver TV to the home. Pretty crappy too.
 
I can't do satellite TV, too many trees, and up against the hill on one side. No DTV signal, even with the antenna, Stuck with cable for now anyway.

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The big deal with the Internet bandwidth is on demand video and Netflix. They need hi speed broadband to deliver through your cable provider and that provider charges Netflix a premium to use their pipe to you.

Net Neutrality, Competition and Fees to Competitors

In the current FCC proceeding about Open Internet, commonly known as "Net Neutrality", one of the issues surrounds what the competitors and content providers, such as Netflix, are paying to connect to the cable networks. On the other side, the 'slow-lane-fast-lane' discussion is all about charging end-user customers more or getting your service slowed down in some way.

AT&T: $100M Fine For Throttling Unlimited Data Users Is “Unlawful,” “Coercive,” “Indefensible”

July 28, 2015

In June, the FCC proposed a potentially $100 million fine against AT&T for allegedly failing to disclose to its “unlimited” data plan subscribers the extent to which their data access could be throttled if they used too much of it in any given month. The company recently responded to the allegations, and let’s just say that AT&T isn’t exactly thrilled.

The Commission accused AT&T of violating the so-called Transparency Rule, which requires broadband providers to publicly disclose sufficient and accurate information about their network management practices, performance, and commercial terms of their services.

The FCC’s problem wasn’t necessarily that AT&T was throttling data speeds of certain unlimited users who gobbled up the most data each month. Instead, the Commission contends that AT&T failed to advise these users on the extent to which their data speeds would be slowed if they were in that throttled group. An investigation found that some were having their speeds cut by 80-90%, effectively rendering their plans useless until the throttling ended.

http://consumerist.com/2015/07/28/a...data-users-is-unlawful-coercive-indefensible/

Wireless providers have the same problem that cable providers have; 20% of the users consume 80% of the available bandwidth. One way to pay for expansion of the infrastructure is to charge people a higher fee. It would make sense to charge the hogs more. Cable has tiered pricing for higher bandwidth.

 
I don't know how they left Verizon out of that.

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