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All Solar, Et Al, In 12 Years?

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Or reduce the output across the board. Such a practical approach doesn't fit into the denier's ideological construct (or not smart enough to acknowledge it)! :shrug::rof:

As the saying goes, you don't like the weather? Wait awhile, it will change all by itself. Of course, there are those who believe that weather can be control by CO2 levels. :)
 
Marion I agree with you. Men are easier, cheaper and faster to sterilize.

But, just like deer herd control if you want to raise the number in the herd you limit harvesting(hunting) to Bucks. If you want to reduce the herd you allow harvesting of Doe's.

Randolph I am not disagreeing with you. What I am trying to figure out is what is the actual purpose(cause) of the Green Crowd. The majority of the Green Crowd(the masses) can get behind the cause if its about Clean Air, Clean /water/clean everything.

The Actual cause(threat to human life) is something else. My Contention is its about population control. The current world population growth is not sustainable.

Here is an example of what I am saying about what is the true cause as opposed to the populist cause.

The Civil War was not about Slavery as the number one reason for the war. There were five top reasons. Slavery was number three.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm

Lincoln got the majority behind him by making Slavery as the Cause everyone could get behind.

This is much like the Environmentalist Movement It is being played as the cause.

I think it is another more threatening cause. Which is world population growth. This I believe is the primary cause.

Can they get everyone behind that cause. I don't think so and that's why I think they are using the Environment(climate change) because its a cause everyone(or most everyone can get behind.

Do you think the Kardashians give a rats *** about people starving in Africa. They probably say they do, but they also would not be to motivated to do anything about it. On the other Hand they would get behind the Environmental Movement because its an issue that effects them directly.
 
Randolph I am not disagreeing with you. What I am trying to figure out is what is the actual purpose(cause) of the Green Crowd. The majority of the Green Crowd(the masses) can get behind the cause if its about Clean Air, Clean /water/clean everything.

I support conservation and a clean environment. However, the cost of implementing solutions by the Green Crowd impacts disproportionately on the poor and causes a reduction in standards of living for little or no benefit.

If the U.S. by itself (just like California did in 2006) wanted a green energy society and economy, enact laws for cap and trade, low carbon fuel standards, etc. without tax incentives that benefit the rich at expense of everyone else. At least California takes money from cap and trade revenue generation to support green energy giveaways to the poor to even things out.

The current world population growth is not sustainable.

Wars and diseases are natural controls to population along with logistics and production. We have programs to feed the world because the counties they live in can't support the population with its infrastructure and production. Let nature take its course. Same with wars.
I think it is another more threatening cause. Which is world population growth. This I believe is the primary cause.

Can they get everyone behind that cause. I don't think so and that's why I think they are using the Environment(climate change) because its a cause everyone(or most everyone can get behind.

The U.N. is to administer the climate fund to the poor countries from the rich countries. It is redistribution that promotes corruption where the politically connected are rewarded just like here.

Do you think the Kardashians give a rats *** about people starving in Africa. They probably say they do, but they also would not be to motivated to do anything about it. On the other Hand they would get behind the Environmental Movement because its an issue that effects them directly.

It's all about feel good with the use of other people's money. I don't mind supporting local populations with the basic needs at taxpayer expense, locally.
 
Hmmm ... population size and distribution (density).

Why not eugenics (improve the genetic quality through selective breeding)? Set a minimum standard for existence? Productivity?

Climate change won't stop, however.

Politician Says Homeless People Should Be Put Down By Lethal Injection

She alleged that killing beggars was already going on unofficially, and added that the local psychiatric hospital, El Batan, often just deposited patients deemed “un-aggressive” in the middle of the motorways at night, where they are killed by cars but also cause accidents that put others at risk.

http://andyjwells.tumblr.com/post/130130769452/politician-says-homeless-people-should-be-put-down


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Reducing Carbon by Curbing Population

Remember the population explosion?

When population was growing at its fastest rate in human history in the decades after World War II, the sense that overpopulation was stunting economic development and stoking political instability took hold from New Delhi to the United Nations’ headquarters in New York, sending policy makers on an urgent quest to stop it.

In the 1970s the Indian government forcibly sterilized millions of women. Families in Bangladesh, Indonesia and elsewhere were forced to have fewer children. In 1974, the United Nations organized its first World Population Conference to debate population control. China rolled out its one-child policy in 1980.

Then, almost as suddenly as it had begun, the demographic “crisis” was over. As fertility rates in most of the world dropped to around the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman — with the one major exception of sub-Saharan Africa — population specialists and politicians turned to other issues.

By 1994, when the U.N. held its last population conference, in Cairo, demographic targets had pretty much been abandoned, replaced by an agenda centered on empowering women, reducing infant mortality and increasing access to reproductive health. (abortion)

Well, concerns about population seem to be creeping back. As the threat of climate change has evolved from a fuzzy faraway concept to one of the central existential threats to humanity, scholars like Professor Cohen have noted that reducing the burning of fossil fuels might be easier if there were fewer of us consuming them.

“Population wouldn’t be the whole story but it could make a big difference,” Mr. Cohen said.

An article published in 2010 by researchers from the United States, Germany and Austria concluded that if the world’s population reached only 7.5 billion people by midcentury, rather than more than nine billion, in 2050 we would be spewing five billion to nine billion fewer tons of carbon dioxide into the air.

This alone would deliver 16 to 29 percent of the emission reductions needed over the next four decades to keep the global temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above that of the late 19th century, the threshold scientists predict could lead to severe disruptions to the climate.

Slower population growth could bring other benefits. The World Resources Institute has been looking into how the world will feed itself in 2050 without busting the carbon budget.

On current demographic and economic projections, food production would have to increase 70 percent by 2050. “Population growth is responsible for about one-half of increased food consumption,” said Tim Searchinger of the World Resources Institute. “The other half comes from higher incomes and richer diets.”

Much of the expected population growth is set in stone, but sub-Saharan Africa, expected to add 1.2 billion people by 2050 on top of its current 900 million, is an exception.

If fertility in sub-Saharan Africa slowed more rapidly than projected — declining to 2.1 children per woman in 2050 from 5.4 today — feeding the most undernourished region in the world would be a lot easier. And sparing African forests and woodlands from even greater deforestation would substantially reduce the amount of carbon entering the atmosphere.

For all the benefits of slower population growth, population policies remain a highly touchy subject.

Access to education is critical. Across human history, fertility rates have fallen when it has made economic sense for families to have fewer children. Education — especially of girls — has played a powerful role in expediting the decline.

Across much of the developing world, more educated women have fewer children, and their offspring are more likely to survive. The spread of public education was accompanied by plummeting fertility rates in such disparate places as Brazil and Iran.

The other obvious tool is access to reproductive health. In the developing world, 222 million women have an unmet need for modern contraception, according to one study. Providing them with it, at a relatively small cost of $4 billion a year, could prevent 54 million unintended pregnancies.

These are hardly new ideas. The U.N. population conference in Cairo 20 years ago suggested pretty much this approach.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/b...curbs-as-a-means-to-cut-carbon-emissions.html

One can see an agenda for population control as a means to CO2 control and it has been implemented in various forms and degrees throughout the world.

So yes Carnivore, under the guise of global warming (aka climate change), the plan is to make the world less rich (lower standards of living) and less populated.
 
Good, recent article on CA solar:

http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/r...-solar-power-towers-doomed-in-california.html

"In January 2015, a solar flux test at the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project showed that bird mortality issues weren't limited to BrightSource designs: during a daylong test of the plant's "standby mode" in which solar flux was generated in an area well above the tower, at least 130 birds were apparently injured during a six-hour period. Project operators were later able to create a standby mode in which no highly concentrated areas of solar flux exist, and tested it with no reported bird injuries.

However, despite the claims of some in the trade press that this "fixed" the problem of solar flux injuries to wildlife, it merely reduces the danger during standby mode. When a majority of a power tower's heliostats are focused on the boiler, that creates a field of solar flux that becomes more dangerous the closer you get to the tower."

"You can see the result in this 2014 video of the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System posted to Vimeo by Norman Rogers. That bright white line at left is a face of the power tower's boiler component, and a number of so-called "streamers" erupt in white steam and smoke to the right. The smaller ones may be large insects such as dragonflies or hawkmoths: at least one of the larger plumes is recognizably produced by a bird."

https://player.vimeo.com/video/105448156
 
That's a lot of birds in a short time frame.
 
I did not intend to imply that human population was responsible for Global Climate Change. I believe because its been proven that the Climate changes whether there are humans or not. My point on the human population rapid growth is a threat more to themselves due to dwindling fresh water supplies and the ability to meet those demands. War will eventually break out in the fight over natural resources. It has in the past and history repeats itself.

That's why as a person I work on conservation of what I consume. I try not to waste anything. I try and reduce my energy use because it cost money(labor). I don't do this because I am following some cause but rather because I don't like to waste. I worked too hard in life to just pizz stuff away. So color me old fashion but that's the way it is and I am sticking to it.

In my youth I bought new cars because I wanted to do that, not because of any need other than self-satisfaction(bright n Shiny) and bragging rights.

So I own a 1995 jeep that has been in my family since 1996. It looks like a POS but it runs good and is easy to maintain. Its 4 wheel drive which I like for hunting and fishing.

My political view is simple. I am a constitutionalist and Bill of Rights person. Live an let Live. I could care less if Gays marry or if women flush a pregnancy down the drain. Not my life, not my business. I don't like paying for others mistakes. I don't like Big Government. I don't like foreign Aid, especially when we have greater needs here in this country. If your country is screwed up, then fix it, don't come to me. If you cant fix it, go ask another country.

I am not heartless. I do help the less fortunate when I can. I hate the disgustingly dishonest Republican and Democratic Parties. I am a unaffiliated voter. Yes, I always vote.

We did not come from Monkeys. We were brought here by Aliens. :-)
 
Carnivore, you are like many people in your beliefs and habits. I hate it when politicians lie to further an agenda that serves no good purpose other than ideology. Global warming aka climate change caused by humans is a big lie. It reminds me of Orwell's 1984 where the political effort is ingrained and institutionalized to indoctrinate the public.

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Political language. . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell
 
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