An Open Letter To Appraiser Wanna-be's

[Lea Rodriguez]

Moving is not always an option for a lot of people, especially when there are other circumstances involved.

 

[Carnivore]

Originally posted by Lea Rodriguez@Nov 20 2003, 08:07 AM
Moving is not always an option for a lot of people, especially when there are other circumstances involved.

Lea,


If you have no job, and you lose your house or you downsize then you will move within the town or outside the town.

Moving is always and option. The question is how far away are you willing to move. The cost are almost the same.

Black people have needlessly suffered financially because of there refusal to move to other parts of the country(usa). They are the least mobile segment of the society. White collar are endless movers. This definitely has helped them achieve higher and higher goals.

 

[Lea Rodriguez]

Black people have needlessly suffered financially because of there refusal to move to other parts of the country(usa). They are the least mobile segment of the society. White collar are endless movers. This definitely has helped them achieve higher and higher goals.

I am very aware that refusal to move can hurt an individuals standard of living, what I am saying is that for a lot of people (including myself), we dont have the financial resources to pick up and move in hopes that we might get hired were there are not really any jobs out there.  And just to let you know I have relocated several times and found no success, so relocating again right now is just not an option.  So its not like I have not tried that option, so in the future I would refrain from making assumed comments.  For a few lucky ones that business is good, God has blessed you, but the market right now is down and the reality is a lot of us wont find jobs whether we move or not.  And that is not what the appraisal schools are selling.  In my original post, I was trying to let other newbies know what my experience has been.  However, I see you have taken it upon yourself to assume why I have not yet found an aduequate position.

Moving is always and option. The question is how far away are you willing to move. The cost are almost the same.

The cost of moving is the same to what exactly? What are you comparing the cost of moving to?

And by the way, all types of people have suffered because of there inability to relocate, not just "black people".

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I think I repaired the quoted area. Lea, let me know if I did this correctly.
Pam

 

[Kate]

Lea,

I don't get it. Where did that come from, that quote. Where did it go.
Oh :blink: I'm so confused

 

[Lea Rodriguez]

My response was actually to Andrew-Charlotte, he made the comment that black people have needlessly suffered, etc, and I wanted him to know there are all kinds of people that suffer because of their inability to relocate. When I did my post I should have put it was to him, sorry for making you confused.( i am new at this) What made my post confusing was that entire quote box is from my original post,so the first part was a quote from andrew and my response is at the bottom, and the rest of it was what i added to it later to other things he had said in his post.

I wanted to let him know that when I made my post I was just letting others know what my experience has been and to be careful to what hype you are sold, and to look out for the people who will take advantage of you because they think you are desperate. Then andrew starting taking about moving is always an option,etc. and I wanted him to know that because he could move didnt mean the rest of us could or that would solve the problem as to why a lot of us can't find a mentor.

 

[Kate]

OH :redface:

Didn't you know it's the American way? Families are becoming thinner and thinner because people move to where work is. Shows you where are priorities are HUH.

I think it's sad. The airports are comming up to their bussiest season. Why? People live so far from their families they have to take a PLANE to see their loved ones. Crazy

 

[Carnivore]

Lea,

I did not assume anything other than given choices some are harder to pick than others. For example, If you cant find appraisal work in your town then you only have two choices; 1. Do something else or 2. Move to where the work is. this is not pecular to the RE Estate business. Almost any work could be classified this way. I do know that people claim they cant move, I find that hard to believe. What I do believe is that people can and do find a way if they really want to. Mexicans men routinely leave there families in mexico to come north and work seasonally in Texas, new mexico and california. They send money back home. Its a hard choice for many of them, but they do it and I have respect for them because of it.

My comment about about Black people is not something I made up. They historically and statistically do not move away from their areas(military excepted). Because of this they MUST make do with the available job market. Even when they can move they dont. Thats there choice.

I live in Charlotte, North Carolina. I am qualified to Fly many types of helicopters and have a commercial license with over 3,500 hours of flight time. There are only a few helicopter positions in the Charlotte area. They are all filled and not likley to come vacant anytime soon. Does this mean I can not break into the pilot market. No it means I must do one of the choices I listed above. I choose not to move. I can move if I want to. All it takes is a U-haul, some cloths and me. I probably could find a position to fly helicopters in the gulf region or up in oregon with the logging industry. I dont want to do that. So here I am in Charlotte, NC.

I started out scrounging for work. I became friends with a guy and his partner Bob Ipock. Dave wanted me in, Bob did not(nothing personal). I only took the excess work and eventually brought some biz in. Here I am 12 years later and All by myself for the last 5 years with my first Associate Trainee, nov 2004, (I pay her 50% of the fee).

 

[Lea Rodriguez]

Andrew,

I am aware people choose not to move. However, I don’t know how many people are in the position to just get a u-haul, clothes, themselves and pick up and move. With the job market the way it is, most of us will probably go on to doing something else, as for me I am already starting in that direction. My whole original post was to warn people what they might be facing and be careful as to what the schools are selling when you enroll, because I got sold the hype about being able to work from home, and making a great salary being a trainee, and that jobs are not that hard to find. And I am finding out that is not really the case. That is the whole purpose of the message board, is it not? For newbies to look at what the reality is of the job market not the hype you are sold. Moving may improve our odds of getting hired, but the reality is there are just not enough jobs to give all of us positions in the first place. And like I stated earlier that I relocated several times with no success, I can’t keep putting up the cost of relocating in a downward job market. And since you are so convinced that relocating is the answer, why not do an in-depth post was to what states and cities are actually hiring to show us that relocating just might be the answer.

 

[Dee Dee]

Personally I think that a trainee considering relocation with the sole purpose of getting a foothold in this business would be a really stupid financial move, especially if they don't already have a guaranteed job lined up with the supervisor providing an established client base. If there is truly a demand for apprentices in any given area, you can bet that in the time it would take for someone to pack their bags and relocate that the appraisal schools in that area will have churned out a hundred new eager graduates, many who will already have real estate backgrounds, business connections and a greater level of market familiarity in that area. The local trainee competition for jobs would already have a big advantage.

Though the poll for income levels of first-year trainees is new, it gives an indication of what one can expect to make during a peak market period (the last three years). Most appraisers agree that those were the feast times and are not likely to repeat themselves again in the near future, so I think it's safe to say that the poll results are on the optimistic side for anyone using them as an indicator of what they can expect to make in their first year. Factor in that the mortgage industry itself has forecasted a huge drop in refinance business in 2004, that a growing number of lenders are unwilling to pay traditional full fees, and that appraisers who are doing niche, non-mortgage work (divorces, foreclosures, estates, relocation, etc...) generally don't hire trainees, and the pie shrinks even further.

I can't imagine any intelligent person uprooting themselves in order to pursue the slim chance of getting a minimum wage job with absolutely no guarantees for the future.

 

[Dee Dee]

Oh yeah....and I forgot to add:
Even if you do relocate and find an apprenticeship job...will that boom market still be booming a couple of years from now, when you finally become fully licensed? It's pretty amazing how scrappy and messy the market can get after the dust settles.