ANSI and Free Sex?

[djd09]

Standards Body Whines That People Who Want Free Access To The Law Probably Also Want 'Free Sex'​

You would think that “the law” is obviously part of the public domain. It seems particularly crazy to think that any part of the law itself might be covered by copyright, or (worse) locked up behind some sort of paywall where you cannot read it. Carl Malamud has spent many years working to make sure the law is freely accessible… and he’s been sued a bunch of times and is still in the middle of many lawsuits, including one from the State of Georgia for publishing its official annotated code (the state claims the annotations are covered by copyright).

The packet that Malamud put together also includes some of the emails that were sent around as part of the working group’s deliberations, including one rather incredible one in which ANSI board member Dan Bart of Valley View Corporation, completely mocks the idea that standards that are part of the law should be available for free — saying that “some people are still clamoring for free beer and free sex too.” Apparently, this individual feels everyone should pay for sex.

Standards Body Whines That People Who Want Free Access To The Law Probably Also Want 'Free Sex'

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[djd09]

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Carl Malamud is an american hero

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

pay to play

No wonder I never got any....I didn't know I was supposed to pay for it.

 

[Fernando]

Dan Bart is mocking the appraisers because we are forced to pay $25 to download one copy of ANSI's copyrighted standards which should be free.
I refuse to give in.

 

[sputnam]

ANSI Z765-2021 isn't law. It's a voluntary standard that has been adopted and required by Fannie and Freddie. It's an assignment condition. Not law. Like with every copyrighted publication, the owners of the copyright have the right to charge a fee for a copy.

 

[Vermonter]

Dan Bart is mocking the appraisers because we are forced to pay $25 to download one copy of ANSI's copyrighted standards which should be free.
I refuse to give in.

If you or any one else needs a copy, DM me.

 

[Dale Floyd]

One wonders - If a client demands a certain standard to be used, should the client be compelled to supply the guidelines of that standard?

 

[jay trotta]

One wonders - If a client demands a certain standard to be used, should the client be compelled to supply the guidelines of that standard?

IMO-Yes; as it should be within their own Guidelines, just like the Guidelines that are available for appraisers online.

 

[ucbruin]

"One wonders - If a client demands a certain standard to be used, should the client be compelled to supply the guidelines of that standard?"

At 1st I thought this was an ANSI marketing gimmick to increase sales....


This is why I consider appraisal an industry and not a profession....
Professionals would just pay the $25.00 (we're talking $25.00) and move on....
BTW....
I, too, dislike the idea of having to pay $25.00 for the guidelines....

 

[Meandering]

But the problem with charging people money to obtain the standard required of appraisers is that, other people who receive copies of the appraisal, such as buyers and sellers, have no way to know if their property has been correctly reported without also buying a copy of the required standard, so they can check for themselves and be assured that all of those entities making money off of their transaction, are not screwing them over.

If required standards are not available to the public, who are the victims/beneficiaries based on how the standards are applied, the general public then has no way to know if they are being treated fairly or honestly, because the requirements are hidden from them. This then puts appraisers on the hot seat to defend a standard to which they can not violate the copyright by disclosing the particulars.

Very sneaky for the real estate owning general public.



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