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Appraisal Institute suspended from The Appraisal Foundation

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Most of the posts I've seen referenced a July 2010 suspension date. The language is clear. AI has a right to appeal, as well as other rights. There was even a post (since removed) from Wikipedia which stated, in bold face type, that the AI had been suspended on July 12, 2010. I hope the appraisers who post unverified and incorrect infomation do a better job of verifying information about their subject properties and comparables.
 
Criminy, now we've got to verify stuff? This HVAC thing has gone too far!
It's just so much easier to make things up and sling opinions.
 
Most of the posts I've seen referenced a July 2010 suspension date. The language is clear. AI has a right to appeal, as well as other rights. There was even a post (since removed) from Wikipedia which stated, in bold face type, that the AI had been suspended on July 12, 2010. I hope the appraisers who post unverified and incorrect infomation do a better job of verifying information about their subject properties and comparables.


They have been suspended with an effective date in the near future. That is common. Sure, they can appeal...and THEN the suspension would be withdrawn if they win.

Example:

Julia Matteson McIntosh A4676 (Cary)

By consent, the Board suspended Ms. McIntosh’s residential certification for a period of twelve months effective August 1, 2010. The first three months of the suspension are active and the remainder is stayed until January 1, 2011. If Ms. McIntosh completes a course in North Carolina Board rules by that date, the remainder of the suspension shall be inactive. In November 2009, Ms. McIntosh signed a consent order with the North Carolina Real Estate Commission that became effective on December 1, 2009. In the consent order, she consented to the revocation of her broker’s license. The consent to revocation was based upon the following facts, which were neither admitted nor denied. Ms. McIntosh failed to obtain a written agency agreement, failed to provide agency disclosure, failed to obtain a property disclosure statement for the buyer, failed to collect an earnest money deposit from the buyer and failed to disclose to the lender in the transaction that a portion of her commission was to be rebated back to the buyer in the form of an HVAC unit for the property. Ms. McIntosh failed to notify the Appraisal Board that she had signed the consent order.
 
Outsider looking in

As an outsider looking in, which I have been all of my years as an appraiser, but as one who has many friends that are AI members, it seems to me to be a fight among family members. If I remember correctly, and if I am wrong I would appreciate an AI member correcting me, I believe that TAF was founded and started by a group of professional appraisal organizations, the AI being one of the most prominent, and with a pooling of their (AI and others) money. I have been led to believe lo these many years that the standards came from the canons of ethics of the AI as well as others.

AI has always been a premier source of appraisal education. As an instructor of over 20 years, and having taught for some of the best including McKissock, I believe that the AI is the best source of education and instructors, excluding myself of course:peace: and I have taken courses from them, and can make that statement first hand.

I do not know the ultimate intent of TAF in regards to education, course offerings, or much of anything else. I would hope that their first priority would continue to be the source of appraisal standards. I have a good bit of loyalty, albeit somewhat diminished by events, to TAF as an AQB Certified USPAP Instructor. I tend to be supportive of their efforts, but again, I am an outsider just looking in.

I hope for the good of the profession that both parties will resolve this matter as peers, not advisaries.
 
Don't you see what is going on? AI and AF are jockying for position of power now that Wall Street has crashed. They are both wanting to call the shots.
If these groups have been lobbying for me, I wish they would stop. The net result of their efforts have caused laws to be passed that require double the hours for licensure as compared to before 2008. And now the lion's share of all appraisal assignments are being doled out by AMC's (some owned by large banks) that have nothing invested in the appraisal, no liability, but are paying themselves 50% or more of our old outdated fee schedule and cutting the appraiser's fees to less than $300.
I received an email inquiry this a.m. from an AMC requesting that I research a property in a million dollar market and offered $275 fee for a completed report. I did a cursory review of the subject and its neighborhood and replied to the AMC that due to the complexity, distance, and lack of similar available comparables to the subject, I would perform the assignment for $1,250, please send payment with the assignment order. They did not respond.
Independent fee appraisers analyze and produce quality reports on properties that sometimes involved huge amounts of money, yet, lack the courage or organizational ability to charge fees that reflect proper compensation for their efforts.
When houses were selling for $50,000, the appraisal fee was around $250. When the same houses were selling for $500,000 or more, those appraisal fees were around $350-400. The realtors were splitting 6% of the subject's value. Appraisal fees did not keep pace with costs. Now appraisers are required by law to complete double the classroom hours for any license and pass another 56 hours of continuing education and USPAP courses every 2 years. Do you think AI had anything to do with that law?
Let's start another national group. Let's call it Patriot Appraisers or National Patriot Appraisers (these name may already be in use). Send me a few million dollars to lobby in Washington and I will see that some real changes are made to the way appraisers are treated in regards to real estate transactions and that they will be properly compensated for their efforts.
My initial proposal would be payment upfront. If clients contact an appraiser for a possible assignment, the client should send $250 with the inquiry, so that the appraiser can do a meaningful research of his or her data bases. Then the appraiser would send a bid for a complete appraisal of that particular assignment based upon real research and discovery instead of his last memory of the neighborhood or a cursory querey on the public records and MLS. If the fee is accepte, payment should be made before the appraisal report is shipped.
When the appraiser is offered "payment at closing" he automatically has an implied interest in the transaction. All that format does is save the client from out of pocket cost before loan closing. It costs the appraiser interest on his time and efforts and influences his judgement as to the true Fair Market Value of the subject. And if it does not close? Yes, I go to small claims court and pay $40 to the county, after sending several certified letters ($2.00 each) to the client. Gee, what a sorry system.
Let's band together and turn this business around while congress is writing a new real estate bible. History has proven that sometimes something good comes from chaos. And if the present state of affairs for real estate is not chaos, someone has invented a new definition for it.
 
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Many of the current problems were caused by the lowering of the bar for entry. Raising of the bar is a good thing and will hopefully result in a higher quality of appraiser.

Education! We don't need no stinkin' education!!
 
Don't you see what is going on? AI and AF are jockying for position of power now that Wall Street has crashed. They are both wanting to call the shots.
If these groups have been lobbying for me, I wish they would stop. The net result of their efforts have caused laws to be passed that require doulbe the hours for licensure as compared to before 2008. And now the lion's share of all appraisal assignments are being doled out by AMC's (some owned by large banks) that have nothing invested in the appraisal, no liability, but are paying themselves 50% or more of our old outdated fee schedule and cutting the appraiser's fees to less than $300.
I received an email inquiry this a.m. from an AMC requesting that I research a property in a million dollar market and offered $275 fee for a completed report. I did a cursory review of the subject and its neighborhood and replied to the AMC that due to the complexity, distance, and lack of similar available comparables to the subject, I would perform the assignment for $1,250, please send payment with the assignment order. They did not respond.
Independent fee appraisers analyze and produce quality reports on properties that sometimes involved huge amounts of money, yet, lack the courage or organizational ability to charge fees that reflect proper compensation for their efforts.
When houses were selling for $50,000, the appraisal fee was around $250. When the same houses were selling for $500,000 or more, those appraisal fees were around $350-400. The realtors were splitting 6% of the subject's value. Appraisal fees did not keep pace with costs. Now appraisers are required by law to complete double the classroom hours for any license and pass another 56 hours of continuing education and USPAP courses every 2 years. Do you think AI had anything to do with that law?
Let's start another national group. Let's call it Patriot Appraisers or National Patriot Appraisers (these name may already be in use). Send me a few million dollars to lobby in Washington and I will see that some real changes are made to the way appraisers are treated in regards to real estate transactions and that they will be properly compensated for their efforts.
My initial proposal would be payment upfront. If clients contact an appraiser for a possible assignment, the client should send $250 with the inquiry, so that the appraiser can do a meaningful research of his or her data bases. Then the appraiser would send a bid for a complete appraisal of that particular assignment based upon real research and discovery instead of his last memory of the neighborhood or a cursory querey on the public records and MLS. If the fee is accepte, payment should be made before the appraisal report is shipped.
When the appraiser is offered "payment at closing" he automatically has an implied interest in the transaction. All that format does is save the client from out of pocket cost before loan closing. It costs the appraiser interest on his time and efforts and influences his judgement as to the true Fair Market Value of the subject. And if it does not close? Yes, I go to small claims court and pay $40 to the county, after sending several certified letters ($2.00 each) to the client. Gee, what a sorry system.
Let's band together and turn this business around while congress is writing a new real estate bible. History has proven that sometimes something good comes from chaos. And if the present state of affairs for real estate is not chaos, someone has invented a new definition for it.



Wrong, wrong, not allowed under USPAP, violation of certification. Your Fannie Mae reports are not for "fair market value"...it is simply MARKET value. Do you ever appraise for UNfair market value?


Did you know there is a free spell checker availablle?
 
.......... laws to be passed that require doulbe the hours for licensure as compared to before 2008...........Now appraisers are required by law to complete double the classroom hours for any license and pass another 56 hours of continuing education and USPAP courses every 2 years..........

If I were in charge I would double the new requirements. It does not appear you want the job you have to be a profession, just something easy to get into. The gene pool in appraising is shallow enough.
 
Many of the current problems were caused by the lowering of the bar for entry. Raising of the bar is a good thing and will hopefully result in a higher quality of appraiser.

Education! We don't need no stinkin' education!!


I'm all for the bar. :beer:

Raise it, lower it, sounds good to me.
 
One won't have an easy time on this forum arguing for lower standards.

We don't have to worry about doubling the standards. Nobody in their right mind would enter the residential side of this business now or in the foreseeable future.
 
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