ASA fired off quite the letter

[Dale Floyd]

they are so far behind the curve...did the ASA realize what is happening and figure out it's not just a conspiracy anymore

I’m just thrilled our organization has jumped into the discussion. These organizations have influence and need to be involved.

Has the Appraisal Institute said anything yet?

 

[Zoe]

Also need it on court docket. Step 2.

Court docket makes it public.

Could wait a little before he gets it on court docket.

That can wait a month or two or three.

It will get public.

 

[George Hatch]

Independent appraisers are reluctant to join an appraisal organization, or even their own state coalitions, because they don‘t want to pay the fees involved. We would be happy to have many more in the ASA ranks, but it’s not a free ride.

I suspect few would pay dues to a union.

In my experience, certain personality types are drawn to this occupation. It takes certain personal attributes to do what we do; self-motivation and the ability to work on your own is one of them. Most appraisers I've ever met were drawn to the opportunity to work solo most of the time, even when working as an employee. TBH, i believe most appraisers work alone precisely because they're not good at working others.

Appraisers are also notorious as a group for being contrarians and for being willing to disagree with anyone, up to and including our own clients and peers. As a group, we have no respect for any job title or employment status or any other "authoritative voices". If someone is telling you something it has to make sense to you before you're accept it. "Trust me because I'm an expert" doesn't cut it. These are necessary attributes for what we do; being unable/unwilling to say no when necessary would be a detriment to our role.

If we were better at working in groups and if we cared more about the opinions of others then most of us wouldn't even be in this line of work.

 

[Zoe]

The guy seems very articulate. He seems very public focused. He needs to articulate it very well and get a signed petition.

He needs that petition sent to the right people.

Then he needs the court docket on file.

 

[J Grant]

I have repeatedly told you "my alignment" is to the profession as a whole. To the legitimate role of what we do in support of the legitimate interests of our users. Not to the suits, not to the corporations, not to the lenders or the GSEs and not even to the subset of the appraisal profession that are working as fee appraisers. I sell nothing to anyone except appraisal work. Even when I was teaching courses to appraisers that was at a monetary loss when compared to spending that time/effort in my day job. I might be wrong and I might be incompetent but I'm not a liar.

I've told you this repeatedly. You (among others) just choose to disbelieve me because you don't like the message. You would like me better if I was nice and told you what you want to hear.

And no, I have NEVER been critical of appraisers wanting what they want. I'm just critical of some of the virtue signaling and mendacity some appraisers use in lieu of simply acknowledging the obvious in their motivations. I don't think the dishonesty can succeed if/when the truth is failing. Now I might be wrong about that but I'm in no way shilling for the suits when I tell you they're not as stupid as some of you apparently seem to think they are.

So what do you suggest, that we must preface our every statement with a speech acknowledging our self-interest? It is interlinked with these products, just as THEIR stakeholder self-interest is interlinked with these products, yet I do not see you accusing them of "virtue signaling and mendacity"

Again, the fact that you chose to highlight it and talk about it over the course of hundreds of posts, wrt an opinion about a supposed virtue signaling and mendacity, undermines appraisers and it is the same point those with aligned on the AMC side make because it does serve to discredit appraisers.

 

[Zoe]

He gets enough signatures and to right people,

Then gets it on court docket. He has won.

 

[J Grant]

I have repeatedly told you "my alignment" is to the profession as a whole. To the legitimate role of what we do in support of the legitimate interests of our users. Not to the suits, not to the corporations, not to the lenders or the GSEs and not even to the subset of the appraisal profession that are working as fee appraisers. I sell nothing to anyone except appraisal work. Even when I was teaching courses to appraisers that was at a monetary loss when compared to spending that time/effort in my day job. I might be wrong and I might be incompetent but I'm not a liar.

I've told you this repeatedly. You (among others) just choose to disbelieve me because you don't like the message. You would like me better if I was nice and told you what you want to hear.

And no, I have NEVER been critical of appraisers wanting what they want. I'm just critical of some of the virtue signaling and mendacity some appraisers use in lieu of simply acknowledging the obvious in their motivations. I don't think the dishonesty can succeed if/when the truth is failing. Now I might be wrong about that but I'm in no way shilling for the suits when I tell you they're not as stupid as some of you apparently seem to think they are.

I never thought the suits were stupid. Most of them are very intelligent. The issue is not their intelligence, it is (applies to some or all, idk ) willingness to game the system, while talking about acceptable risk and transparency when it is all about their own profit- which one could say is just business, exept that this involves taxpayer backing and the housing market which affects so many working Americans.

There is no way to tell how the use of WAIVERs, which lend on sale price ( as long as it is within their inhouse AVM range), has affected prices in the market. All they look at is some sliver of risk to their own interest in a self-tailored study.

 

[Zoe]

Once he gets the signatures, he needs legal help where to send the petition to.

Then just be patient a little bit.

Then put the hammer down.

 

[Dale Floyd]

In my experience, certain personality types are drawn to this occupation. It takes certain personal attributes to do what we do; self-motivation and the ability to work on your own is one of them. Most appraisers I've ever met were drawn to the opportunity to work solo most of the time, even when working as an employee. TBH, i believe most appraisers work alone precisely because they're not good at working others.

Appraisers are also notorious as a group for being contrarians and for being willing to disagree with anyone, up to and including our own clients and peers. As a group, we have no respect for any job title or employment status or any other "authoritative voices". If someone is telling you something it has to make sense to you before you're accept it. "Trust me because I'm an expert" doesn't cut it. These are necessary attributes for what we do; being unable/unwilling to say no when necessary would be a detriment to our role.

If we were better at working in groups and if we cared more about the opinions of others then most of us wouldn't even be in this line of work.

I can see that. I suppose that’s also very true for many in other independent professions. Financial advisors, CPAs, Estate Attorneys, etc. included.

The one dominant trait I’ve always found to be noticeable with the typical appraiser, is the “half empty” view of everything related to our profession. Every time there has been a change impacting us, the sky is always falling according to most appraisers I know.

I’m neither “half full” nor “half empty” and I’ve always considered myself a realist instead. You seem to be similar based on your posts. But it’s something I’ve noticed, even with many of our peers out here in the blog world.

 

[Zoe]

Need legal help on writing the petition. He has easy access to appraisers' emails to request signatures.