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hey chatgpt is it possible to determine the number of appraisers in us by removing duplicate licenses, thus beginning with the federal ASC appraiser list, then cross checking for duplications among state appraiser lists?

Yes. In principle, that's one of the best ways to estimate the number of individual appraisers rather than the number of licenses. The key is understanding what the data already contains.
The Appraisal Subcommittee (ASC) maintains the National Registry of Appraisers, which is compiled from state licensing agencies. An individual licensed in multiple states generally appears multiple times because each state credential is a separate registry record.
A practical deduplication workflow would look like this:
  1. Start with the ASC National Registry.
    • Download the full registry (if available through their data access).
    • Each row typically represents a state credential, not necessarily a unique person.
  2. Identify duplicate individuals.
    • Group records using combinations such as:
      • First name
      • Middle initial
      • Last name
      • Credential number
      • State
      • Business address
      • City
    • Exact-name matches are a starting point, but you'll also need fuzzy matching for cases like:
      • Robert Smith vs. Bob Smith
      • John A. Doe vs. John Doe
      • Address changes
  3. Count unique people.
    • Once duplicate licenses belonging to the same individual are linked, count distinct individuals instead of records.
  4. Validate against state rosters.
    • Some state rosters contain additional identifiers or more current information than the federal registry.
    • They can help resolve uncertain matches.

Challenges​

The biggest challenge isn't the counting—it's entity resolution (determining whether two records belong to the same person). For example:
StateNameLicense
TexasJane M. DoeTX12345
OklahomaJane Marie DoeOK67890
These are probably the same person.
But:
StateNameLicense
FloridaMichael JohnsonFL11111
GeorgiaMichael JohnsonGA22222
These could be two different people unless you have additional identifying information.

Accuracy​

Depending on the fields available, a careful matching process can often achieve well over 95% accuracy. If you have access to stable identifiers (such as a national registry ID or another persistent identifier), accuracy can approach 100%. Without them, you'll typically use probabilistic record linkage.

Is it worth using state lists?​

If your goal is simply estimating the number of unique licensed appraisers nationwide, you may not need to scrape all 50 state lists. Since the ASC registry is built from the states, it is already the primary consolidated source. State lists are most useful for:
  • verifying ambiguous matches,
  • filling in missing information,
  • identifying records that haven't yet propagated to the federal registry.
If you're interested in building a research-quality dataset, I can also outline a deduplication pipeline using Python (with libraries such as pandas, recordlinkage, and rapidfuzz) that would automatically identify likely duplicate appraisers across all states and estimate the true number of unique licensed appraisers in the U.S.
 
I just posted a graphic off the ASC website last week. The number of individuals is ~65,900. They publish it in their annual report. So they do know. The number dropped by about 1200 heads during 2025
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The rub is they haven't completely scrubbed the data for duplicates, variations, etc. Several people have challenged their methods and numbers. In my case I'm licensed in two states; one state first-last name, the other first-middle-last. Am I counted as one or two?
 
I just posted a graphic off the ASC website last week. The number of individuals is ~65,900. They publish it in their annual report. So they do know. The number dropped by about 1200 heads during 2025
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Absolutely. And when you see, in an appraisal report, that the appraiser relied on paired sales analysis to derive their adjustments, you always know with certainty that those paired sales and the accompanying analysis are there and appropriate, and appropriately analyzed. Yet, a year ago, the ASC could not and would not answer the question, and had myriad excuses as to why. Then the following was published. Apparently, they were shamed into putting out something. I have my doubts if they have a clue.

https://appraisalbuzz.com/analysis-of-2025-ASC-appraisal-license-data/

Edit: Now I see, in the tiny little notes, ±5% under the number of distinct appraisers. The number in the above article is essentially the same, yet they spent 30 saying it couldn't be done. But I believe 'em now!:ROFLMAO:

Edit2: CashCatz, has the ASC contacted you and contracted you to figure out their numbers for them? They should at least have given you credit for showing them how to do it!
 
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Right. And no one knows how many hold 1 license and how many hold 2 to 20 licenses, or whatever the maximum is. So, no one knows how many appraisers there are.
The ASC knows. They get $60.00 for each license. Five states....$300.00. 2 states $120.00.
 
hey chatgpt is it possible to determine the number of appraisers in us by removing duplicate licenses, thus beginning with the federal ASC appraiser list, then cross checking for duplications among state appraiser lists?

Yes. In principle, that's one of the best ways to estimate the number of individual appraisers rather than the number of licenses. The key is understanding what the data already contains.
The Appraisal Subcommittee (ASC) maintains the National Registry of Appraisers, which is compiled from state licensing agencies. An individual licensed in multiple states generally appears multiple times because each state credential is a separate registry record.
A practical deduplication workflow would look like this:
  1. Start with the ASC National Registry.
    • Download the full registry (if available through their data access).
    • Each row typically represents a state credential, not necessarily a unique person.
  2. Identify duplicate individuals.
    • Group records using combinations such as:
      • First name
      • Middle initial
      • Last name
      • Credential number
      • State
      • Business address
      • City
    • Exact-name matches are a starting point, but you'll also need fuzzy matching for cases like:
      • Robert Smith vs. Bob Smith
      • John A. Doe vs. John Doe
      • Address changes
  3. Count unique people.
    • Once duplicate licenses belonging to the same individual are linked, count distinct individuals instead of records.
  4. Validate against state rosters.
    • Some state rosters contain additional identifiers or more current information than the federal registry.
    • They can help resolve uncertain matches.

Challenges​

The biggest challenge isn't the counting—it's entity resolution (determining whether two records belong to the same person). For example:
StateNameLicense
TexasJane M. DoeTX12345
OklahomaJane Marie DoeOK67890
These are probably the same person.
But:
StateNameLicense
FloridaMichael JohnsonFL11111
GeorgiaMichael JohnsonGA22222
These could be two different people unless you have additional identifying information.

Accuracy​

Depending on the fields available, a careful matching process can often achieve well over 95% accuracy. If you have access to stable identifiers (such as a national registry ID or another persistent identifier), accuracy can approach 100%. Without them, you'll typically use probabilistic record linkage.

Is it worth using state lists?​

If your goal is simply estimating the number of unique licensed appraisers nationwide, you may not need to scrape all 50 state lists. Since the ASC registry is built from the states, it is already the primary consolidated source. State lists are most useful for:
  • verifying ambiguous matches,
  • filling in missing information,
  • identifying records that haven't yet propagated to the federal registry.
If you're interested in building a research-quality dataset, I can also outline a deduplication pipeline using Python (with libraries such as pandas, recordlinkage, and rapidfuzz) that would automatically identify likely duplicate appraisers across all states and estimate the true number of unique licensed appraisers in the U.S.
If you look up a name and they have multiple state licenses....it will list every state the appraiser is licensed in.
 
The ASC knows. They get $60.00 for each license. Five states....$300.00. 2 states $120.00.
From one individual licensee or more? That's the issue. Until recently they didn't even acknowledge there was a difference. While they are trying now, I'm not confident they know given their track record.
 
I already know of one fellow appraiser here who didn't renew license and no longer practicing. Unfortunately old age and poor health.
 
From one individual licensee or more? Until recently they didn't even acknowledge there was a difference.
I have been keeping up with it for years. You have to know how and where the information is located.
 
The ASC is like the Dem voting rolls - lots of dead folks still showing as 'active'... (PS - no offense intended. Don't get your knickers bunched).
 
I have been keeping up with it for years. You have to know how and where the information is located.
The criticism is the info should be readily available with a click or two. And again, the ASC didn't even try until it faced recent public criticism.
 
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