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Assessed Value Of Storm Water Management Ponds

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What if someone bought them and held the adjacent homeowners for ransom by blocking the inflow to the ponds? I'd bet the adjacent landowners would think they were quite valuable.
I can't help thinking about what is MV of parcels utilizing this feature vs. MV of those same parcels without it.
Curious where this thread goes.

OP Are there any precedent cases you can reference? Be sure to update us on the appeal.
 
As an aside, the attorney may want to take a look at how condos are assessed in this jurisdiction. Do the pool, clubhouse, etc. have separate tax bills or is the benefit reflected in individual unit tax bills?
 
What if someone bought them and held the adjacent homeowners for ransom by blocking the inflow to the ponds? I'd bet the adjacent landowners would think they were quite valuable.
I'd bet that there is no way that blocking the inflow to the ponds could be legally done in most states (especially if the sub-division approval was based on those storm water retention ponds being constructed) and doing so and attempting to ransom the other lot owners is more likely to end up with the owner of the storm ponds facing legal problems than actually collecting any monies from the neighboring home owners.
 
I looked at a couple in my area off the top of my head. Both are owned by the township, in subdivisions, and are assessed at market value (compared to neighboring improved parcels, less credit for no w/s).
I'm not fully sure what you mean by owned by the township AND having market value assessments-wouldn't they be tax exempt if owned by the township? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
In the example I gave earlier, if the sum of the lot values is $6,000,000, the maximum assessment is $6,000,000, and the commons area have assessments, wouldn't the assessed value of the adjoining lots need to be reduced? I recognize that each state is different, but if they are reduced to less than the market value of the individual lots, yet the assessment is based on market value, it sounds like there is a hole in logic either way.

What if someone bought them and held the adjacent homeowners for ransom by blocking the inflow to the ponds? I'd bet the adjacent landowners would think they were quite valuable.
That is why they get dedicated to the HOA and covenants are in place.
 
The benefit of having the common area elements (streets, sidewalks, utilities, storm drainage system, walking trails, etc.) is incorporated into the lots. The assessed values of the lots should represent this.

Above is argument #1. The individual parcel owners are being taxed on the benefits of the WRT.

#2: Doesn't the assessor have to follow some sort of rules in order to say it is worth $X?

#3: Technically it is an unbuildable parcel, and maybe even a landlocked parcel. What is the value of that in the market? Is that how the assessor came up with the value?

#4 I don't really see a MARKET VALUE, but rather a VALUE IN USE. What is the "market" for this type of "property"?
 
I'm not fully sure what you mean by owned by the township AND having market value assessments-wouldn't they be tax exempt if owned by the township?

The two examples I looked up (just by driving by them in the past), showed the township owned them. They did show an assessed value but were under the EX (exempt) category.

Lots in the subdivision were valued at, let's say $30k, and the storm ponds were valued at $25k (less $2.5k each for water/sewer).

I can see the argument that they are worth less than buildable lots but they provide an essential function by keeping the neighborhood from flooding.

We did a project on a mall....Imagine a slope (owned by A) coming down from the parking lot (owned by B) built up to prevent sliding/washing away of the earth. Without this slope area the mall would lose dozens of parking places. So is it logical to say that this unbuildable land is worth, at a minimum, parking values because without it there would be none? That's why I suggested visiting the 'over the fence' or 'across the fence' value.

No flaming necessary...just thinking out loud....I like these unusual questions.....keeps me from getting my boring work done.....
 
the SWM areas have no value
That's clearly incorrect
Is there anything less (quicker and cheaper) than a restricted appraisal report that I can provide
A restricted report is not only inappropriate but violates the requirement of only a single intended user

I'm looking for ideas.
You need to better understand assessment valuation and the property tax appeal process in your state.

I'm just trying to figure out what the cheapest option might be for her.
That is not your role. You should be competent in property tax appeals, thoroughly understand the process and be in a position to provide professional advice. The fee for that service is a business decision, but seeking out the cheapest option is not your responsibility. That choice may not event adequately address the clients actual needs.
 
We did a project on a mall....Imagine a slope (owned by A) coming down from the parking lot (owned by B) built up to prevent sliding/washing away of the earth. Without this slope area the mall would lose dozens of parking places. So is it logical to say that this unbuildable land is worth, at a minimum, parking values because without it there would be none? That's why I suggested visiting the 'over the fence' or 'across the fence' value.

No flaming necessary...just thinking out loud....I like these unusual questions.....keeps me from getting my boring work done.....
Were you doing eminent domain work? If so, I am brainstorming a bit on how to approach it and could see how it would be a challenge to assign compensation to something that cannot be sold. For subdivisions, would taking away a detention pond be valued in eminent domain as the incremental loss in value to the adjoining lots as a result of a loss in pond views/ adequate drainage? I have a hard time picturing an upscale subdivision with no drainage systems in place to be used as a "comp" and the valuation analysis in eminent domain appraisal based on that premise would look a bit goofy. For accounting purposes, I could see a different approach than what I am suggesting, as well. But for assessment valuation, I am somewhat of a believer that we look to the market for guidance. Just picture the subdivision valuation DCF-the revenue is solely lot sales. The entire infrastructure is created for the future lot sales. If the average lot sales price is $50,000 in a 120-lot subdivision and the assessor bases the valuation on that level, but also assesses the commons area, detention area, private streets, etc., suddenly the land assessment for the entire development is say $6,600,000. Yet if the developer "sells" the infrastructure for $600,000 to accommodate an alternative use, suddenly the $50,000 lot values are dramatically less. The hole in logic is glaring.
 
I agree the cost of infrastructure is built into the individual lot value....tis a tough assignment....

I'll hit up my well seasoned and salty CG in the morning, get him fired up early with a complex question. :)

edit: Yes, eminent domain work....mind bending stuff....
 
The two examples I looked up (just by driving by them in the past), showed the township owned them. They did show an assessed value but were under the EX (exempt) category.

Lots in the subdivision were valued at, let's say $30k, and the storm ponds were valued at $25k (less $2.5k each for water/sewer).

I can see the argument that they are worth less than buildable lots but they provide an essential function by keeping the neighborhood from flooding.

We did a project on a mall....Imagine a slope (owned by A) coming down from the parking lot (owned by B) built up to prevent sliding/washing away of the earth. Without this slope area the mall would lose dozens of parking places. So is it logical to say that this unbuildable land is worth, at a minimum, parking values because without it there would be none? That's why I suggested visiting the 'over the fence' or 'across the fence' value.

No flaming necessary...just thinking out loud....I like these unusual questions.....keeps me from getting my boring work done.....

As mentioned before, I believe most states prohibit the intentional blocking of flood waters from other parcels. No single owner will derive any private benefit from the storm pond, unless they can improve or use it for private benefit. If the storm pond can provide only public benefit, it should carry no private value. Are you assessing the value of the storm pond to the community?

In my humble opinion- such storm ponds provide clear public value but no private value.
 
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