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Black couple settle lawsuit as home value at $500k below real price

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As I read the map there are only 2 ways you can go; you're either going to Sausalito for additional comps or (less likely) to that south end of Mill Valley. Both will require substantial discounting for location.

As I recall, the original appraisers are located something like 7 miles away from this neighborhood. That's as local as it gets for appraisers.
 
I don't believe a discussion is pointless. A judgment has been made, it's in the news. It effects our profession regardless of whether all the facts are known. By your logic all fake news wouldn't matter and we know that's not true. If you don't want to discuss it, don't :)
No judgement was made, a deal was struck. The appraiser admits no liability means they do not admit they were wrong.
 
As I read the map there are only 2 ways you can go; you're either going to Sausalito for additional comps or (less likely) to that south end of Mill Valley. Both will require substantial discounting for location.

As I recall, the original appraisers are located something like 7 miles away from this neighborhood. That's as local as it gets for appraisers.
Sounds like local appraiser would know that area better than most appraisers. I for one don't like unique "unconventional construction" because some buyers like me would not consider them.
It takes a certain buyer to like such construction with poles and its location. Maybe that's why there's lack of sales in area.
 
I would love to have Miller give a statement regarding the settlement or at least make a comment here in AF.
I suspect the plaintiffs hired a third appraiser to review the two appraisals and concluded the differences were of something else and not racially motivated.
 
What do you think the chances are of an incompetent appraiser grossly overvaluing or undervaluing a"pole" home in this subdivision? What do you think the chances of two competent appraisers being within 10%/20%/30% of each other?
I think you are making a similar point I made in another thread. In some cases, two appraisal reports, both credible, can diverge by 20-30%. And that wouldn’t mean the “true” market value actually lies in the middle. That means both appraisals are credible and differ by 20-30%. Nobody wants to hear it because everyone either has a bias toward one side, and/or an opinion of their own. But if you pull back and look at all those differing opinions, you see the reality is murky.

Now, in this case I think both appraisers could be wrong, and it’s possible the data indicates a more narrow range of credible values. But I generally agree with what Bert said, you couldn’t have handpicked a better property for a racial bias lawsuit.

In short, attempting to compare a home in Marin City to Sausalito would be an act of frustration. Far easier to use older comparable sales in Marin City and spend time developing an adjustment for date of sale.
This is just a quick overview based purely from memory.
As I read the map there are only 2 ways you can go; you're either going to Sausalito for additional comps or (less likely) to that south end of Mill Valley. Both will require substantial discounting for location.
Here you go. Two pretty smart appraisers, at odds about the where and how to expand the search for comps. And you’re both right. The Cert 7 on the URAR isn’t always going to be objective fact.
 
I turned down an order today because I couldn't find any comps sold in past 6 months. I could do it and ask for higher fee but I'm lazy and don't want to go out in the rain.
 
Here are the MLS sales I could find in the "pole" home subdivision for the past ten years sorted by date. Obviously there are property criteria that would explain more of the disparity that are not shown here. Be that as it may, how many appraisers do you think have the capicity to make sense of this data? What do you think the chances are of an incompetent appraiser grossly overvaluing or undervaluing a"pole" home in this subdivision? What do you think the chances of two competent appraisers being within 10%/20%/30% of each other?

Street Full AddressListing PriceSelling PriceSelling DateGBA$/SF
52 Buckelew St
1,395,000​
1,245,000​
3/29/2013​
3229​
386​
85 Park Cir
375,000​
550,000​
7/9/2013​
1248​
441​
53 Buckelew St
995,000​
1,055,000​
8/6/2013​
1952​
540​
25 Buckelew St
759,000​
742,000​
12/23/2014​
2272​
327​
50 Park Cir
695,000​
649,000​
12/26/2014​
1764​
368​
28 Buckelew St
450,000​
450,000​
8/20/2014​
1092​
412​
65 Buckelew St
729,000​
735,000​
8/19/2014​
1248​
589​
611 DRAKE Ave
599,000​
545,000​
3/11/2015​
1248​
437​
619 Drake Ave
539,750​
545,000​
6/19/2015​
1216​
448​
19 Park Cir
599,000​
555,000​
10/14/2015​
1248​
445​
619 Drake Ave
775,000​
740,000​
4/1/2016​
1216​
609​
34 Buckelew St
900,000​
875,000​
4/6/2016​
1536​
570​
78 Buckelew St
899,000​
915,000​
3/29/2016​
1520​
602​
21 Buckelew St
630,000​
525,000​
3/27/2017​
1216​
432​
15 Park Cir
549,000​
660,000​
8/16/2016​
1092​
604​
615 Drake Ave
699,900​
735,000​
10/3/2017​
1216​
604​
31 Park Cir
1,100,000​
1,100,000​
2/3/2018​
2053​
536​
86 Buckelew St
925,000​
1,235,000​
4/16/2018​
1357​
910​
52 Buckelew St
1,795,000​
1,795,000​
12/19/2018​
3360​
534​
50 Buckelew St
899,000​
899,000​
8/6/2019​
1216​
739​
28 Buckelew St
599,000​
650,000​
6/5/2019​
1092​
595​
635 Drake Ave
979,000​
968,888​
1/26/2021​
1092​
887​
21 Buckelew St
1,098,000​
1,100,000​
5/6/2021​
1590​
692​
34 Buckelew St
1,350,000​
1,320,000​
12/16/2021​
1536​
859​
23-25 Buckelew St
1,200,000​
1,250,000​
7/27/2022​
2272​
550​
81 Buckelew St
1,150,000​
1,300,000​
10/14/2022​
2302​
565​

(Edited to include additional sales)
So the appraiser that settled had an effective date of 12/20. Looks like no sales in the past year. and the ones in the year before that are under $1M. Have to go back over 2 years for sales over $1M.
 
I think you are making a similar point I made in another thread. In some cases, two appraisal reports, both credible, can diverge by 20-30%. And that wouldn’t mean the “true” market value actually lies in the middle. That means both appraisals are credible and differ by 20-30%. Nobody wants to hear it because everyone either has a bias toward one side, and/or an opinion of their own. But if you pull back and look at all those differing opinions, you see the reality is murky.

Now, in this case I think both appraisers could be wrong, and it’s possible the data indicates a more narrow range of credible values. But I generally agree with what Bert said, you couldn’t have handpicked a better property for a racial bias lawsuit.



Here you go. Two pretty smart appraisers, at odds about the where and how to expand the search for comps. And you’re both right. The Cert 7 on the URAR isn’t always going to be objective fact.
Older sales would seem to comply better with cert 7 that makes no mention of how old the sales are. It says most similar locationally, physically, and functionally. This would imply it is better to use older sales than those less similar in these regards. Of course at a certain point you could consider them not comparable if the market conditions are much different.
 
You are pushing uphill, Bert! I was chastised the other day for daring to suggest that even simple math might have a place in appraisal work. Frankly, I'm still trying to comprehend how anyone who has ever made a dollar adjustment in an appraisal doesn't believe they stooped so low as to have committed "math."

Well, I would be interested in the details of the problems you ran into with someone criticizing your use of math.

Good logic and math always wins out in the end and the nut-case idiots eventually get carried off to the asylum. It just takes time.

We now have a real problem, a much larger problem, with idiots running the show. The high schools, universities, and technical schools are failing to weed out the idiots. If it is not one thing it is another from so-called disadvantaged kids who we are to assume are inherently geniuses who must be so because they have NOT been given a good nurturing environment or whatever to those who have a certain skin color who must be geniuses because people of their skin color are discriminated against - through what logic I don't know. If you have ADHD you get as much time as you want to sit for exams and I don't know what else.

So, all this crap is just slowing things up. That's all.
 
qualifying all of the pertinent property details to pump into the math machine still requires a good deal of professional judgement.
Of course. MARS will create a sometimes complex regression model - although I have to always work to simplify it as much as possible to avoid overfitting. Then I go through the 200+ comparables, create the price estimates from the model based on measurable attributes, and the residual differences between the estimate and the actual sale price. Then I rank the comps by the residual and compare the properties to their ranking. The most appealing properties will tend to have the highest residuals and the least appealing the lowest. But sometimes you have to wonder just why, for example, some property has an especially high residual

Now backup, an interesting thing I have discovered is that there is a pretty good correlation between the Sale Price/List Price ratio and the residual. In fact, with the current appraisal in Ocean Colony (Half Moon Bay) I was getting a correlation of 70%, which surprised me. That is not bad.

Anyway, I was looking at a house with a high residual. It sold around the beginning of 2022 way above the MARS estimate. There were very few homes sold at that time. But one thing I noticed was that the sale price was much higher than the list price. The Sales Agent had put the house on the market with a list price that was pretty close to the MARS estimate. That kind of makes sense, they probably based their estimate on GLA and to a lesser extent on their subjective judgment of its appeal (which apparently they weren't sure of). The house had been upgraded and from the photos it was impressive. But still, I was not at all sure it deserved that much higher of a price. But with so few houses available to purchase, it appears there was a bidding war that pushed the final sale price way above list. That's market value. That is very real. You can't discount it. Who am I to say the buyers were wrong? It is what it is. So, this house had a CQA of 9.9 out of 10.0 - max more or less.

That residual in my RCA method - it does NOT miss a thing. It captures 100% of everything. See the Residual - that is the "other" stuff. You can split it any way you want between condition, quality, functional utility, view or whatever - and the value conclusion will not change.

It is 100% - the only entry for bias is in your judgment of the CQA for the subject property -- Just go to your ranking and find which two properties it fits best between.

You have to see it, I suppose, to believe it. But it is very real.

Now going back to the point I think you were trying to make --> If you don't know how to use MARS, --> YES, you will find that your ranking of the residuals does not match appeal. It will be out of whack. So, you need skill. To interpret deviations, you need a good understanding of real estate and appraisal.

You need a rare combination of skills.
 
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