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Case-Shiller Decline is steep this month

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I get it not.

It would be nice if they'd written "" Case Shiller Index Number" on the right side axis, "Percent Change in Value" on the left axis, and then put in a legend with similar notations for the line style and bar style). When you're publishing something on the web for the general public that can be so quickly and easily taken out of context it behooves you to make it more stand alone.
 
In addition to what Mr Hatch pointed out, keep in mind these indexes measure "price", not value. There is a difference.
 
I get it not.

It would be nice if they'd written "" Case Shiller Index Number" on the right side axis, "Percent Change in Value" on the left axis, and then put in a legend with similar notations for the line style and bar style). When you're publishing something on the web for the general public that can be so quickly and easily taken out of context it behooves you to make it more stand alone.
I am attaching another graph of the CS index for San Diego. I have put labels on it, myself. You will note there are additional line graphs indicating low price, mid price and high price homes.

It becomes clear (to me) that low price homes increased more and subsequently decreased more in value.

Just another data analysis consideration. However, no matter how anyone slices that cheese, home value across the spectrum today are losing value here.

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Beautiful Mr. Kinney. You should copyright that before CS rips you off.

Interesting that the San Diego (average) line crosses the mid priced line suggesting the market activity is skewing towards lower priced homes. Investors stepping in and picking up bargain REOs for rehab or rental if your market is seeing the same thing we are in NorCal.

I also find it interesting that all the lines are converging, I suppose that's because the metric is a change in value so when you approach an inflection point every thing will converge, flatten, and then presumably diverge based on the respective demand for the different tiers. I'd suspect that the low priced tier is getting ready to take of pretty briskly. I'm hearing more and more talking heads reporting on a market turn around, and you have to figure that all the entry level home buyers have been sitting on their money, waiting for the bottom, and watching the buying power of their down payment increase 10 to 20% per year. You got to figure as soon as public perception becomes "the worse is over" those folks will jump in with both feet and a couple year's worth of pent up demand. If I had the capitol I'd be looking for a nice little 3/2 rental about now.
 
Even if you do live in one of the markets that CS publishes an index for you should still be doing your own modeling. Just as the national medians that are published are meaningless when looking at something on a regional level, a median for a metro market is of little use when looking at something on a neighborhood level. They're indicative of a macro trend but they're nowhere near relevant enough to use beyond that.

I couldn't agree more. A model using median or average sales price over a large geographic area can be very misleading in either direction.
 
This graph covers a 2-year time span and it's informative enough for that time period. However, if you were to look at this type of information dating back 20 or 30 years it would provide some context that the talking heads would probably prefer that you not have.

If you were to look at the long term trends I highly doubt you'd conclude that the end was near, even for the lower end.
 
That is excellent work Mr. Kinney. Do you know how they define low, mid and high priced houses?
 
This graph covers a 2-year time span and it's informative enough for that time period. However, if you were to look at this type of information dating back 20 or 30 years it would provide some context that the talking heads would probably prefer that you not have.

If you were to look at the long term trends I highly doubt you'd conclude that the end was near, even for the lower end.

History suggests the end will come when values are in line with rents and incomes, and it looks like we may be getting another 10% to 15% drop nationwide to get there. It almost always depends on getting the renters into entry level houses. They got priced out during the boom. Now many can own for the cost of renting.

It appears that the legislation to prevent foreclosures (OK, it's a bank bailout but don't tell anyone) will have a seven or eight thousand dollar tax credit for first time home buyers. That's enough for the down payment and closing costs on a 150k house with an FHA loan. That may jump start things at the low end.

I also hear it's for one year only, so it may be use it or lose it.
 
That is excellent work Mr. Kinney. Do you know how they define low, mid and high priced houses?
You can get all the details of the methodology of the index, pairing, tiering, etc., by going to the S&P web site. Here is the link to the methodologies used:
http://www2.standardandpoors.com/spf/pdf/index/SP_CS_Home_Price_Indices_Methodology_Web.pdf

The Division of Repeat Sales Pairs into Price Tiers

For the purpose of constructing the three tier indices, price breakpoints between low-tier
and middle-tier properties and price breakpoints between middle-tier and upper-tier
properties are computed using all sales for each period, so that there are the same number
of sales, after accounting for exclusions, in each of the three tiers. The breakpoints are
smoothed through time to eliminate seasonal and other transient variation. Each repeatsale
pair is then allocated to one of the three tiers depending on first sale price, resulting
in a repeat sales pairs data set divided into thirds. The same methods used for the Metro
Area Indices are applied separately to each of these three data sets to produce the Low-
Tier, Medium-Tier and High-Tier Indices.
Note that the allocation into tiers is made according to first sale price. Individual
properties may shift between price tiers from one sale date to the next. We use only the
tier of the first sale, ignoring the tier of the second sale. This allocation was chosen so
that each of the tier indices closely represents a portfolio of homes that could be
constructed on each date using information actually available on that date. Thus, the tier
indices are essentially replicable by forming a portfolio of houses in real time. The Low-
Tier index for a metro area is an indicator of a strategy of buying homes falling in the
bottom third of sale prices (while the High Tier Index as an indicator of a strategy of
buying homes in the top third of sale prices) and holding them as investments for as long
as the homeowner lived in the home. The trend of home price indices in each of the three
tiers reflects the outcome of such an investment strategy.
A “value effect,” has been noted in the tier indices: low-tier indices have typically
appreciated somewhat more than high-tier indices. Part of this value effect may be
analogous to the effect that motivates value-investing strategies in the stock market.
Individual homes’ prices have shown some tendency to mean revert, so purchasing lowpriced
homes may have been an overall good investment strategy. We do not know
whether this value effect will continue into the future, and the value effect has not been
stable through time even in the historic sample that we have observed.
The high-tier indices will tend to lie closer to the aggregate indices than do the low-tier
indices. This is as we would expect, since the aggregate indices are value-weighted and
hence the high-tier repeat sales figure more prominently in the aggregate indices.
There is a lot more explanation for what is done to produce the indexes.

Here is the raw data for all indexes and tiers in spread sheet format. You can construct your own graphs. http://www2.standardandpoors.com/spf/pdf/index/cs_tieredprices_062418.xls

Here is the historical chart expanded for San Diego.

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If I had the capitol I'd be looking for a nice little 3/2 rental about now.

If you believe the market is about to rebound or has started to bottom you can always buy a long posistion on the CS Index. Personally I just took off some put plays on the XLF and BAC. LOL
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