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"deal Killer" No Value Added For Permited Guest House

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Agree with Mike.

Conjecture is not good.

Is the guest house rentable to a tenant under the existing zoning code?
Is it habitable as if it were a stand alone apartment unit with it's own unhampered parking?

If the appraiser drove 70 miles to get to you, along the way he should have found a comp?

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The driving 70-miles may or may not matter. The market area I appraise in and am competent to do so includes areas 70-miles away. I wouldn't focus on that.... yet.

Here's my advice (the words in quotation marks have a significant meaning in appraisal-world):
1. The term I would use as far as "value" and your guest house is "contributory value". If the appraisal has valued your property (land + improvements; the improvement in this case is the main house and its garage) the reasonable and fair question to ask is "Does the appraisal conclude that the 600sf permitted guest house has no "contributory value" to the land + main house?"

2. Ask your lender if they think that is a "reasonable" conclusion and if the appraisal is "credible" ("reasonable" means does the conclusion make sense based on the analysis provided in the report; "credible" means should the results i.e., the value, be considered believable).

3. Request a copy of the report so you can consider a "reconsideration request" (reconsideration of value is the process in which a stakeholder can ask specific questions and sometimes provide additional information for the appraiser to consider. A reconsideration request doesn't automatically result in any change; it is supposed to result in the appraiser considering the request on its merits and based on the information it includes. Factual errors that affect value should be corrected and the value, if affected, should be reconsidered. Not all factual errors affect value and not all errors that affect value warrant a change in value; small things are trivial and not of consequence. I would think a 600sf guest house is consequential IF it does contribute value to your property).

4. Read the appraisal report. See how the appraisal identifies and considers the guest house in the valuation analysis. I would expect the appraisal to discuss (a) how it valued the guest house if the guest house contributes value to the property or (b) how the appraisal analyzed the guest house and concluded that there was no contributory value. In my opinion, a statement like, "No other guest houses in the neighborhood were found; therefore, no contributory value is assigned to the guest house" is inadequate on its face. But that's me.
However, if the report went on to say something like "I interviewed local market participants and they concurred that this amenity would not significantly affect the price in this market" that, while maybe hard to believe, would be an adequate commentary. If the report is being accurate in what it did (searched the market and interviewed market participants... brokers and agents) then the decision to conclude no contributory value is supported. Another might disagree but then it becomes a matter of opinion.

5. If you cannot read the report and understand exactly what it says (there is no shame in that; the appraisal report is written for a lender who has the wherewithal and competency to understand the report and all its terms, description-codes, etc.) then I would hire a local appraiser to read the report and explain to me what it really says.
6. If, once you understand how the report came to its conclusion (no contributory value) then you have a basis for submitting a reconsideration. How you structure the reconsideration is dependent on how the report analyzes the guest house.

My 2-cents.

Good luck!
 
Agree with Mike.

Conjecture is not good.

Is the guest house rentable to a tenant under the existing zoning code?
Is it habitable as if it were a stand alone apartment unit with it's own unhampered parking?

If the appraiser drove 70 miles to get to you, along the way he should have found a comp?

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The Guest house could be rentable but I think there are restrictions in this subdivision against renting. I purchased the house from a builder that built several houses in this waterfront neighborhood and he built this house and the guest house for his mother in law to live in at the time. When I purchased it, I was single and let my son live in the guest house so I never thought about renting it out. The appraiser told me that he would have to use comps from this neighborhood, which there are none. Thank you.
 
Agree with Nacho.

If there are restrictions on renting it, it is best comp'd to a mother/daughter unit

HAVE to use comps from the neighborhood sounds like a stupid AMC/Lender requirement.

So here is a little known issue for you to consider.
Lenders decide on what kinds of properties they want to lend on.
If they only want to lend on properties that conform to the neighborhood, they can, and they don't have to tell you that when you apply for your loan.

So while, a true market value appraisal would have been available to considered other sales outside of the neighborhood, it was up to the appraiser to decline an assignment if the assignment condition limited the appraiser's ability to competently value the subject property.

But that becomes a catch 22.

If all appraisers declined the assignment due to the assignment condition, you would not get a loan. If an appraiser ignored the assignment condition and snuck the report past the QC checkers, the lender still does not have to give you the loan if the property, or the appraisal, does not conform to their requirements.

If you can't get this one straightened out, on your next attempt, you have to notify the buyers that they must interview their lenders, if the lender will lend on a non-conforming property and accept comparable sales that are older and/or farther away than what is typical in a residential appraisal.

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.................The appraiser told me that he would have to use comps from this neighborhood.................

RED FLAG, RED FLAG!!

He doesn't HAVE to use comps from your neighborhood, he should be using sold properties that are most comparable to the subject property. He should try to find homes that are similar and have a guest house. Time for a new appraiser and ask for your money back.
 
Please turn a copy of the report into the state and see what they say.
 
I appraise in an area where there are many guest houses. We have found in my area that if the guest house is decent and livable we use the GLA adjustment for the size of the ADU and then add in the value of a bath and kitchen. For average construction it runs about $50sf. But that's our area, and we can bracket this. I just did a house with 2 guest houses. I went back in time 2 years and covered an entire county to find comparable sales. I did not find one with 2 ADU's however. But these people had rented them out in the past. So I also used the income approach to support my analysis. PROBLEM however, is that if ADU's are very atypical in your area you might be in trouble. Some lenders demand comparable sales with ADU's. But it's easy to go to similar markets to find comps. It's just a hassle. The appraiser probably didn't get paid enough to do the necessary driving for the assignment.

My suggestion: Do some research on your own to see if you can find a similar comparable with an ADU. Talk to realtors and other appraisers in the county. If you can't find one, then you have a problem, and thus the dilemma of the appraiser.
 
I appraise in an area where there are many guest houses. We have found in my area that if the guest house is decent and livable we use the GLA adjustment for the size of the ADU and then add in the value of a bath and kitchen. For average construction it runs about $50sf. But that's our area, and we can bracket this. I just did a house with 2 guest houses. I went back in time 2 years and covered an entire county to find comparable sales. I did not find one with 2 ADU's however. But these people had rented them out in the past. So I also used the income approach to support my analysis. PROBLEM however, is that if ADU's are very atypical in your area you might be in trouble. Some lenders demand comparable sales with ADU's. But it's easy to go to similar markets to find comps. It's just a hassle. The appraiser probably didn't get paid enough to do the necessary driving for the assignment.

My suggestion: Do some research on your own to see if you can find a similar comparable with an ADU. Talk to realtors and other appraisers in the county. If you can't find one, then you have a problem, and thus the dilemma of the appraiser.


Just received the appraisal, $198.5, the contract was for $266k and he added absolutely nothing for the guest-mother in law house. He completely blew my sell because there were no other homes in the neighborhood with extra living quarters for using as a comp. Disappointed.
 
Just received the appraisal, $198.5, the contract was for $266k and he added absolutely nothing for the guest-mother in law house. He completely blew my sell because there were no other homes in the neighborhood with extra living quarters for using as a comp. Disappointed.
You say that you bought the property from a builder who built the ADU for his personal use (family) so it is quite possible that your property is over built for its neighborhood and market and not as marketable to a typical buyer who would be interested in your particular development.

Builders do this all the time for their personal residences because as "builders" they have certain economic advantages. How long was your property on the market, how many buyers looked at the property before you received an offer. If you had prior offers were they anywhere near your asking price? How long have you had this house and was your house the most expensive house in the neighborhood when you purchased it.

Realtors often have difficulty properly pricing properties such as yours because of their uniqueness, unusual style and/or improvements exceeding typical homes in the same market. Taking todays strict appraisal requirements required by lenders when deciding on listing price is not always something the less experienced realtors consider.

The Guest house could be rentable but I think there are restrictions in this subdivision against renting. .

Based upon the Appraised value vs Contract price, it would appear that (with the physical characteristic info you provided) even adding contributory value for the ADU, especially considering the imposed use restrictions, you would have still been considerably shy of the contract price.
 
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