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"deal Killer" No Value Added For Permited Guest House

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I live in a lakefront community where there isn't a track builder, all homes are custom built and have to be minimum sq. ft., garages in a certain direction from the street and no trailers or boats can be left in the driveway overnight are you get a letter from the HOA the following day. They are very strict. He put in the appraisal that the guest house was atypical, whatever that means. I heard that banks (the buyer was using Chase) hire appraisers to lowball the appraisal prices (I have no idea how true or untrue that is) and buyers should use mortgage companies, I do know that they didn't have anyone that worked this part of the area so they told the appraiser to name his price to make the 70 mile drive out here.

aside from "atypical"
1. not representative of a type, group, or class "a sample of people who are rather atypical of the target audience" synonyms: unusual, untypical, uncommon, unconventional, unorthodox, ... more

any other support for that opinion IN the comments addendum (if there is one) - if not should find it in the comments section in one of the forms comments sections. (blocks of line which permit typing comments)
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=definition+of+atypical&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002
 
FWIW, some ill-trained appraisers have this idea that atypical features, such as guest houses in many markets, shouldn't "be given value." The origin of that line of thought comes from certain lenders not wanting to lend on "atypical" features, and someone in the line of ordering will just ask the appraiser to "not give value" to the feature so that the property looks conforming. I'm not saying Chase does that, but what happens is the appraiser probably experienced that type of request over the years and just figured that its the "proper" procedure, so now just doesn't give value to atypical features.

The problem is that one can't simply "not give value" to an item if the item has contributory value. The appraiser may argue that there is no market support for contributory value, so the item shouldn't be "given value." However, just because there is no obvious support for contributory value doesn't mean their isn't any, and the appraiser would be incorrect to simply make that across-the-board assumption for all such assignments. Chances are that is an item adds utility to a property, then it adds value.

I wouldn't market the assumption that a particular lender low-balls properties. What typically happens is that a particular lender fees out the ordering to a management company (AMC), who then orders the appraisal. Since the AMC takes a cut of the fee, the appraiser gets less than the fee of a non-AMC assignment. Given that they can't find anyone local, I would tend to believe the AMC may be desperate to find anyone to do the assignment, regardless of qualifications.

Lastly, for properties like this that may be considered "atypical," I recommend a local/smaller regional bank. They typically hire local appraisers, and can portfolio the loan if the property is atypical.
 
On what basis? vs engaging a Local, experienced Cert.Res. or Cert.Gen. (who does local res appraisals)?
I think I agree with Mike. I don't think the OP should jump to the conclusion to just "send the report into the state." I'm not saying the OP shouldn't, but none of us have looked at this report and we all know how serious it is to have a report sent to the state, etc.

I do agree that the report sounds a bit fishy. To me, it sounds like what David mentions, that the appraiser may have been ill trained regarding atypical features. It also sounds that the subject is a somewhat atypical house for the neighborhood.

I'm not saying the appraiser did a good job or anything, b/c I haven't seen the report. I have a lot of ILQ's in my market and have yet to see one that does NOT add value, but that's just my market. But I don't agree to just advise someone to "Send it to the state" without knowing more facts.
 
Sounds to me like
70 miles one way
Unexpected amenity
AMC fee
Costs to go back for different comp photos?????

I realize Texas is a big place, but 70 miles on the MLS just seems like a really big data base to not find a comp in.

Or at least some other market data to hash out value or no.

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Sounds to me like
70 miles one way
Unexpected amenity
AMC fee
Costs to go back for different comp photos?????

I realize Texas is a big place, but 70 miles on the MLS just seems like a really big data base to not find a comp in.

Or at least some other market data to hash out value or no.

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my bold. I agree. I think there should have been SOMETHING in between there and there. And the appraiser definitely should have some verbiage (probably at least a nice paragraph describing search parameters, etc)

But I still think the first response should be to go back to the appraiser (obviously through some sort of ROV and/or lender/client asking questions) before just firing off the report to the state. I'm not saying that it might not end up there, but hopefully through due process.
 
First see if the buyer is even interested in pursuing the sale. If they are walking it's all moot. If not they might be better off starting over with a different originator, hopefully someone local, even one ultimately selling the loan to Chase. Big box lenders are notorious for choking on unusual properties on their retail side.

I don't work anywhere near Texas and hate to comment on appraisals sight unseen but it is hard to imagine the guest house as described contributing zero value. There is at least one data point (the purchase contract) attesting to the contrary.
 
I live in a lakefront community where there isn't a track builder, all homes are custom built and have to be minimum sq. ft., garages in a certain direction from the street and no trailers or boats can be left in the driveway overnight are you get a letter from the HOA the following day. They are very strict. He put in the appraisal that the guest house was atypical, whatever that means. I heard that banks (the buyer was using Chase) hire appraisers to lowball the appraisal prices (I have no idea how true or untrue that is) and buyers should use mortgage companies, I do know that they didn't have anyone that worked this part of the area so they told the appraiser to name his price to make the 70 mile drive out here.

Atypical means that it is not a common amenity. If it was typical then comparable sales could be found. Why would the appraiser not give a value to the ADU? Well for example I give absolutely no value to a pool in my area. Why? It's simple, if people wanted them they would put them in on a regular basis. If I was in Phoenix it would be different. All kinds of houses have pools and if a house doesn't have one it will negatively affect value. But in my area it does not matter how much that pool costs, people in my area simply do not want them and in fact see them as a negative because it costs to maintain them. And I have tracked this over and over again and other appraisers in my area say the exact same thing.

There are times that a "so-called" amenity may actually negatively affect value. I've seen it. Think about this from a buyer's perspective. It sounds like you have a really nice ADU. But someone who buys it has to have a very specific purpose to buy it because; They have to be willing to pay the extra insurance, taxes, upkeep, utilities etc. If it would be me, I would see it as an unnecessary expense. Something I really don't need. Therefore I do not want to pay for it. I may be the typical buyer in that market. In fact it is probably the case if there are no other properties with ADU's that buyers simply do not want them.

Let me give you another example. I once did an appraisal on a property that had an indoor pool. It was incredible. I could give no value to it. Why? Because there were no sales stating it has any market value anywhere. I went back as many years as I could and looked all over in competing markets. Nothing was found. Therefore I gave it no value. And again think about the hassle of having a separate building with an indoor pool. Heating costs, taxes, liability, etc. Most people in my area fill pools in when they get them. How do you fill in an "indoor pool?" In my opinion I could even see making a negative adjustment for having not only an amenity no one wants, but one that is a hassle.

So I can completely understand why an appraiser would give an ADU no value:
1) There is no evidence in any similar markets it is a desirable amenity.
2) The appraiser can't just make an adjustment out of a hat. He has to support it in some way by market evidence.

Now I am not saying it has no value. I'm just saying there is a possibility it has no value, because when the extra taxes, upkeep, etc are taken into consideration people may say, "O.K. I will buy the property, but I don't want to pay more than a house without it. Because now I have to pay the upkeep etc for it. Maybe it's worth it, but only for what I have to pay for taxes and upkeep, etc. "

P.S. Just because one buyer wants it doesn't mean anything. I have regularly appraised properties for less than what some buyer wants to pay for it. They were ill-informed buyers.
 
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ADUs are different from other "amenities" because they are living units. It may be atypical for the simple reason that they can't be built anymore, or exceedingly difficult to get approvals to build. I've personally never seen a detached ADU not have contributory value.
 
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