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Ray,

Sounds like you folks in PA. need to turn the heat up. 1) Write some legislators asking them the question and explaining that the board will not respond. 2) Sounds like some neww blood might be in order for your board. Perhaps you can find someone willing to seek a seat and support them.


Bob
 
Bob, you may be right again but I attempted to contact the local state rep three times back about 1 1/2 years ago. Was always told he was "in the state capital, working for his constituents" and to voice my problems to somebody in his office. I did. Not a. I haven't stopped. I just slowed down and I'm figuring out a way to regroup. Everybody else here talks about the problems but when it comes down to it, nobody has the time, which I don't believe is the problem, they think I'm some kind of nut. I'm not. Supposedly, the state is concentrating on fraudulent activity going on up in the Poconos and a couple of other areas. They just haven't got to Philadelphia and surrounding counties yet.
 
Ray Ohler,

I was surprised at your comment that you could not get an answer from PA as to your question. I have never had a problem getting an answer. I did have one prosecutor tell me that they get as many as 10,000 complaints, questions, etc., per year so they do not always answer questions that are found elsewhere, such as the USPAP. In this case, I think the State Board should have provided an answer and I will raise that issue with them at the meeting on Thursday. In the meantime, I submitted the question and thne following is the answer I received from a Prosecutor with the B. P. O. A.


"Well, all this is wrapped up in SMT-5 ( page 78, lines 3624-3630 of USPAP 2000) where it specifically states that disclosure to enforcement agencies, even absent client permission, does not result in a violation of the confidentiality provision.

Even absent SMT-5's specific statement, the way I would interpret it (and how I suspect the rest of the prosecution staff sees it) is that there are several historic confidential relationships which go back hundreds of years (attorney/client, doctor/patient, priest/penitent, husband/wife) and where generally there is very few circumstances where disclosure can be required or where improper disclosure cannot be punished. Most of the rest of the
confidential relationships are statutory (accountant/client, reporter/informant appraiser/client) and information is given only the protection authorized by law. These statutory confidential relationships give much more opportunity for information serving the public good to be disclosed. Therefore looking at the Confidentiality Provision and interpreting it with that in mind, I would say, even absent SMT-5's statement, the Confidentiality Provision explicitly allows disclosure without client permission. Specifically the confidentiality provision provides "An appraiser must not disclose confidential information or assignment results prepared for a client to anyone other than: )1) the client and persons specifically authorized by the client; 2) state enforcement agencies and such third parties as may be authorized by due
process of law, and 3) [appraisal peer review committees]" There are three general rules of statutory construction which would b e applicable to this case and which basically every administrative/legislative body says it holds to; therefore I believe they would apply just as equally to the USPAP -- (a) the enacting body intends for all of the provisions of the enactment to be
given weight and meaning, (b) the provisions of an enactment should not be interpreted to have an absurd or unreasonable result, and © unless otherwise specified, the enactment is to be interpreted to favor the public interest instead of any private interest. The first and second construction rules are obviously the strongest in this case -- if the client's permission is always required to disclose, no matter what, then there would be no reason to go on to specify that the assignment results can be turned over to
other classes of individuals/groups. You would either have client
permission or not -- end of story. So, the only way to give weight and meaning to the rest of the confidentiality provision and to not end up with an absurd enactment (i.e. lines of text which have no bearing on the subject at all) is to say that permission from the client is needed, or it can be given to an enforcement agency without the client's permission, or the information can be given to a peer review committee. Looking at the third rule of construction (public interest trumps private interest) also supports the concept that it can be turned over without client permission -- while there may be some harm to the client by turning the documentation over to an enforcement agency, the harm to the public by allowing an
unethical/unqualified individual to continue practicing is greater. "

I hope this is a satisfactory answer.

Red
 
Pam
Does your client know that you are turning in their reports? I would think you would need permission from them.

Is this a fraudlent appraisal or a difference of opinion?
 
Dale, that was my question and there were several responses that argued both ways. Typical USPAP. Where is John the SRA when I need him?
 

No Jim, you missed the point. Happens a lot on a forum because the written word does not come out like the spoken word.

My point was that the Appraisal Foundation says it is permissable to file a complaint without the clients permission. I would go with that before I go with an unsupported opinion. I have never filed such a complaint, but I read on here routinely about witch hunts. But nobody talks about serious problems with appraisals, which is when an appraisal may be sent in.

I often wonder why some appraisers are so concerned about reports be filed for investigation, not prosocution. Are they concerned it might be one of theirs?

Jim
 
That seems to be the exact portion of the SMT that everybody has a different opinion on. I don't know if it has been argued in an "arena" of justice. Not taken out of context the SMT states, well, you already know what it states. Until I have a bona-fide response, in WRITING, like I said, any complaints will go in minus my work. If they want it, they can subpeona it (I don't have a problem with that) and I have already stated that I will testify at a hearing. I could have let myself out of a TON of work on supporting documentation if I just included my review or 2055 with attachments. I didn't. I elected to spend 20 hours on each complaint, checking and rechecking and backing it up with full documentation. Total so far is about 1,000 hours OR if you like, 25 weeks (1/2 year) of 40 hour weeks FOR FREE. I THINK I AM A NUT. My mother was right, one of these days my blood pressure is going to shoot so high that my eyeballs will pop out and the blood will squirt like fountains out of the sockets. I NEED a tranquilizer.
 
Red - Very informative post regarding the logic of the law and confidentiality. I see no confidentiality issues with disclosure of the work product when properly and competently delivered to a regulatory agency.

Jim - Specifically in response to your question regarding investigation and prosecution, I would suggest that investigation and prosecution in the regulatory environment are the same. In the State of North Carolina, you can do your work product fully in compliance with USPAP, providing appropriate data, analysis, and conclusion of better than typical practice, reconcile that data with the actual sales history of the property and report the same to the client in a manner that the client finds to be appropriate and adequate for their purpose, but the NCAB can (and has) found appraisers to be in violation of their unique and personlized code of practice, soley because the investigator disagrees with your selection of what is a nationally published and recognized methodolgy.

To other posters

My cut is that any appraiser making any expression of anothers work product to any third party certainly needs to do a Standard Three review.

The scope of the review needs to be consist with the intended use of the review. In submitting a review to a lender, the reviewer often is merely expressing a contray opinion regarding the data, analysis and conclusions and why his opinion should be given more credence than the work under revfiew. This is a far less stringent use requirement than that imposed when submitting an allegation to a regulatory agency that some elses work product contains errors, misrepresentations of fact, or inappropriate technique, ie, standards violations. In the former case, it may mean rejection of the specific appraisal, or worse, removal from the client list.

In the latter case, the allegations could result in public punishment, including removal of the license to perform appraisal work. It is my opinion that in making such an allegation, a fellow professional must offer definitive proof, not just a mere opinion, that that the others work product is wrong.

Several state boards, North Carolina, Kentucky and Illinois to name several, are finding it easier to have their investigators just state "facts" and imply that an appraiser is wrong by innuendo rather than without proving or even stating the underlying basis for the charges. They argue that the board members have the requisite expertise and do not need to have the proof presented. In short, they claim to be able to identify know bad work and bad appraisers when they see them. They further that argue lack of funds, too little time and too few investigators make it too hard to prosecute the bad eggs if they try to prove them wrong.

The astute appraiser knows that this attitude leads inevitably to a witchhunt mentality of the worst order, particularly when the boards members (and/or staff) have no specific competency in the type of appraisal or property type.

Regards

Tom Hildebrandt GAA
 
Tim,

One way to look at this is from the postion of a responsible citizen. If you see a report that is Fraudulent then I would think you have a moral and legal obligation to report this to the authorities.

Which authorities? Certainly someone in authority wether it be the state board or the attorney general for example.
 
Here is my fear. I realize the state board is not a court of law, but they would be influenced by a lawyer or legal counsel. You turn in an obvious fraudulent appraisal (not a difference of opinion, bad comps, made up comps, failing to mention property history such a listing of the subject at the time for $50,00 less) and the charged appraiser brings an attorney to the board meeting who promptly points out that I have violated USPAP by giving his report and my review to the state without the clients permission. The board promptly throws out my charges because of the legal counsel and all of a sudden I have to answer for USPAP violations in front of the State Board. Am I dreaming, or is this not a possible scenario.
I would prefer to know that it is not a USPAP violation, first.
 
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