Ethics or Competence

[Lawrence R.]

Are you serious? If so, I would have to disagree vehemently. My observation is that people with healthy self esteem are highly ethical. Notice I said HEALTHY self esteem. Ego maniacs are generally sociopaths, many of which do not know the meaning of ethics. People with extremely LOW self esteem find it difficult, if not impossible, to say NO to anyone.

Nope, you and I agree. What I am saying is that you MUST teach ethics to young children. The reason it isn't being done lately is for the reason I supplied in the above quote.

I think the two are NOT mutually exclusive. I was simply lamenting the current state of education we are stuck with today.

I am disagreeing with the "modern day thinkers" who want children to blossom in confidence at the expense of morality.

 

[Lawrence R.]

Are you serious? If so, I would have to disagree vehemently. My observation is that people with healthy self esteem are highly ethical. Notice I said HEALTHY self esteem. Ego maniacs are generally sociopaths, many of which do not know the meaning of ethics. People with extremely LOW self esteem find it difficult, if not impossible, to say NO to anyone.

Larryroscoe is regurgitating the manifesto from those communistas that run the education system across the country.

Yes, I am quoting it, not regurgitating, nor agreeing. Just wanted to make that clear.

 

[Mike Phillips]

I have a pretty cut and dry philosophy regarding human behavior. I once heard every cell in the human body has one mission: self-preservation. Knowing this, I don't expect much from human beings, in general.

Every human action is nothing more than a response to the twin forces of pain OR pleasure; when humans feel neither force they are complacent and in a state of inaction. Furthermore, humans respond equally to pain OR pleasure.

Sorry folks, it is really no more complicated than that. No human action will approach the ideal (as set by society) unless there are consequences for not doing so.

In the residential appraisal market, there are no real consequences for failing to approach the ideal, certainly not in the short-run and certainly not if one is doing appraisals for the mortgage industry.

 

[xmmcsmielr]

Mike Phillips nailed it. No consequences = unethical appraising.

 

[Lawrence R.]

I have a pretty cut and dry philosophy regarding human behavior. I once heard every cell in the human body has one mission: self-preservation. Knowing this, I don't expect much from human beings, in general.

Every human action is nothing more than a response to the twin forces of pain OR pleasure; when humans feel neither force they are complacent and in a state of inaction. Furthermore, humans respond equally to pain OR pleasure.

Sorry folks, it is really no more complicated than that. No human action will approach the ideal (as set by society) unless there are consequences for not doing so.

In the residential appraisal market, there are no real consequences for failing to approach the ideal, certainly not in the short-run and certainly not if one is doing appraisals for the mortgage industry.

That is the most nihilistic thing I have heard all day. The only thing that exceeds this statement's complete disdain for humanity is its lack of veracity.

This kind of thinking totally discounts the presence of deity, or the ideas of gratitude and selflessness. I just can't quite buy in to this dim a view of humanity. Too misanthropic for me.

But, I bet you never get disappointed by anyone with that view. No expectation for anyone to fail to attain, huh?

Don't jump Mike, don't jump!!

 

[Hamlet]

I have a pretty cut and dry philosophy regarding human behavior. I once heard every cell in the human body has one mission: self-preservation. Knowing this, I don't expect much from human beings, in general.

Every human action is nothing more than a response to the twin forces of pain OR pleasure; when humans feel neither force they are complacent and in a state of inaction. Furthermore, humans respond equally to pain OR pleasure.

Sorry folks, it is really no more complicated than that. No human action will approach the ideal (as set by society) unless there are consequences for not doing so.

In the residential appraisal market, there are no real consequences for failing to approach the ideal, certainly not in the short-run and certainly not if one is doing appraisals for the mortgage industry.

So what keeps one who hasn't actually felt the fire from jumping in and getting burned?

I think the human psyche is more complicated than that. How do you explain parents who sacrifice their own lives for their children as an example?

 

[TJSum]

Hopefully, it is what sets humans apart from most other animals. Charachter is what you do when no one is looking.

 

[Hamlet]

Hopefully, it is what sets humans apart from most other animals. Charachter is what you do when no one is looking.

 

[Mike Boyd]

So what keeps one who hasn't actually felt the fire from jumping in and getting burned?

I think the human psyche is more complicated than that. How do you explain parents who sacrifice their own lives for their children as an example?

Low self esteem? LOL

 

[moh malekpour]

I once heard every cell in the human body has one mission: self-preservation

Self preservation is not only for human, it is for all beings including animals and plants. It is called defense mechanism. Try to harm a cat, dog or an ant, they will return the favor as best they can. Plant change color or direction to the sun or rain. These are all self preservation. They don't want to perish, they all want to live to their potential.
Ethic is a belief or a value system that comes from parents, society, schools, siblings and evironment during the person's personality development which is between the birth to the age of 12-15. When a person gets to the adulthood, the personality has been already formed and it is hard to change it but it is not impossible with a good envrionment.
The society, environment and surrounding is a big deal for ethic and value formation. If a person got it wrong because it was accepted to his or her environment, that person may engage in unethical behavior without feeling any guilt.